The Criterion Collection 4K/Blu-ray Discussion and Release Thread
#9226
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The appeal of blind-buying Criterion discs is the sense that someone with wider film knowledge than yourself is curating a list of movies worth seeing. For many of them, you might not have ever had to the chance to be exposed to them previously until Criterion brought them to your attention. You may not like them all, but broadly speaking, watching them will help to expand your film horizons.
Maybe I'm a cheapskate, but I've gotten to the point that I only buy films I have seen and like.
#9227
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Maybe I'm a cheapskate, but I've gotten to the point that I only buy films I have seen and like.
Nowadays it's so much easier to watch a movie you've never seen before buying it. Why roll the dice on a movie that can cost $25-$50 only to find out you might not like it?
#9228
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For me the Criterion label is very niche. I don't own that many but from the ones that I have seen released, I don't think many of them have multiple replay value.
So I can see how some don't find the prices appealing ($20-25+) at all to make that kind of investment and maybe watch the disc once and then toss it in the closet or shelf for years.
I have the Criterion DVD for Ran, which is considered one of Kurosawa's best movies. But, it's a super slow burn samurai movie that's like close to 3 hours long. Plus, there's like 2 1/2 hours of extras on the disc. Am I really going to devote that kind of time to watch the movie and all the extras? I've seen Ran maybe twice once on VHS and once on my disc. I doubt I'm going to watch it again anytime soon. I'd rather watch something new instead. There's endless new content coming out month after month. I mean I'm glad I own it as it's a big piece of film history.
So I can see how some don't find the prices appealing ($20-25+) at all to make that kind of investment and maybe watch the disc once and then toss it in the closet or shelf for years.
I have the Criterion DVD for Ran, which is considered one of Kurosawa's best movies. But, it's a super slow burn samurai movie that's like close to 3 hours long. Plus, there's like 2 1/2 hours of extras on the disc. Am I really going to devote that kind of time to watch the movie and all the extras? I've seen Ran maybe twice once on VHS and once on my disc. I doubt I'm going to watch it again anytime soon. I'd rather watch something new instead. There's endless new content coming out month after month. I mean I'm glad I own it as it's a big piece of film history.
#9229
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For me the Criterion label is very niche. I don't own that many but from the ones that I have seen released, I don't think many of them have multiple replay value.
So I can see how some don't find the prices appealing ($20-25+) at all to make that kind of investment and maybe watch the disc once and then toss it in the closet or shelf for years.
I have the Criterion DVD for Ran, which is considered one of Kurosawa's best movies. But, it's a super slow burn samurai movie that's like close to 3 hours long. Plus, there's like 2 1/2 hours of extras on the disc. Am I really going to devote that kind of time to watch the movie and all the extras? I've seen Ran maybe twice once on VHS and once on my disc. I doubt I'm going to watch it again anytime soon. I'd rather watch something new instead. There's endless new content coming out month after month. I mean I'm glad I own it as it's a big piece of film history.
So I can see how some don't find the prices appealing ($20-25+) at all to make that kind of investment and maybe watch the disc once and then toss it in the closet or shelf for years.
I have the Criterion DVD for Ran, which is considered one of Kurosawa's best movies. But, it's a super slow burn samurai movie that's like close to 3 hours long. Plus, there's like 2 1/2 hours of extras on the disc. Am I really going to devote that kind of time to watch the movie and all the extras? I've seen Ran maybe twice once on VHS and once on my disc. I doubt I'm going to watch it again anytime soon. I'd rather watch something new instead. There's endless new content coming out month after month. I mean I'm glad I own it as it's a big piece of film history.
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If I were to divide my collection into actual re-watch hours by studio, I'm quite sure Criterion would win by a country mile. To each their own, though.
#9231
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I didn't mean to generalize. I know Coral here is a minority. For every 1 of him who say they won't spend more than $5 on BDs and him saying that Criterions aren't worth that kind of money, there are 20 others who love this label and it's releases.
He's the clear minority.
I like specialty catalog titles too like Shout/Scream Factory. But, then again not every Shout/Scream is worth the asking price and that's how I also feel about Criterion. I'm sure there are plenty of other great Criterion titles that are much more re-watchable than Ran. Maybe a slow burn Japanese period piece isn't the best example of a Criterion title.
He's the clear minority.
I like specialty catalog titles too like Shout/Scream Factory. But, then again not every Shout/Scream is worth the asking price and that's how I also feel about Criterion. I'm sure there are plenty of other great Criterion titles that are much more re-watchable than Ran. Maybe a slow burn Japanese period piece isn't the best example of a Criterion title.
#9232
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Not the slightest bit limiting.
In the olden days, pre-DVD, I would rent videos with a passion and buy LDs of those films I liked. When DVDs came around, I blind-bought some, but I have found over the years that, on average, I like about 1/6 of the films I see enough to warrant owning them, so blind-buying, which was never an attractive proposition to begin with, is especially so now that I have very little disposable income.
Besides, the films that interest me don't tend to be released on DVD or BD, which is a great shame. There are so many incredible films out there that no one knows about. I still prefer to own physical copies of films I like or love.
In the olden days, pre-DVD, I would rent videos with a passion and buy LDs of those films I liked. When DVDs came around, I blind-bought some, but I have found over the years that, on average, I like about 1/6 of the films I see enough to warrant owning them, so blind-buying, which was never an attractive proposition to begin with, is especially so now that I have very little disposable income.
Besides, the films that interest me don't tend to be released on DVD or BD, which is a great shame. There are so many incredible films out there that no one knows about. I still prefer to own physical copies of films I like or love.
#9233
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$225 for a movie? Yikes.
Even at the height of DVDs popularity, I couldn't bring myself to spend even $50 on a single movie.
Today the most I'm willing to spend on a movie (BD only) is around the $5 range. I flinched a few times on BDs priced at $10, but snapped out of it and walked away.
Even at the height of DVDs popularity, I couldn't bring myself to spend even $50 on a single movie.
Today the most I'm willing to spend on a movie (BD only) is around the $5 range. I flinched a few times on BDs priced at $10, but snapped out of it and walked away.
Suncoast also had a big selection but they were always MSRP + additional. Great horror selection.
Back in the early days it was easy to get cheap DVDs of common titles thanks to DVDTalk.
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The appeal of blind-buying Criterion discs is the sense that someone with wider film knowledge than yourself is curating a list of movies worth seeing. For many of them, you might not have ever had to the chance to be exposed to them previously until Criterion brought them to your attention. You may not like them all, but broadly speaking, watching them will help to expand your film horizons.
#9235
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I kind of do that. I went crazy in the early days of the B&N sales because they were so cheap with coupons. Unfortunately, it was buying a lot on DVD. Eventually, I converted to Blu around the time of Zatoichi... City Lights. So around 2013. I have a bit over 500 Criterions. I don't buy ALL the new releases. But there a lot of upcoming ones I'd like.
#9236
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I admit I've fallen into the trap of buying titles just because they had the Criterion label, and I wanted to bring some "class" to my collection. I do make sure to wait for the sales and I pick up used ones all the time.
But I'm casting a more critical eye at my purchases these days. I've got a collection of over 1500 DVDs and Blus, with a large percentage of them unwatched. And I'm running out of physical shelf space to put them (we're in a condo, so no room to expand). I need to watch some of the older DVDs to see if they both hold up as films I enjoy, and if the picture quality is acceptable on my current 60" screen (many were bought back when I had a 29" 4x3 tube TV).
But as for Criterion re-watchibility? I kid you not The Fantastic Mr. Fox is my most watched Criterion title (I even upgraded to the Criterion Blu from the regular Blu release).
But I'm casting a more critical eye at my purchases these days. I've got a collection of over 1500 DVDs and Blus, with a large percentage of them unwatched. And I'm running out of physical shelf space to put them (we're in a condo, so no room to expand). I need to watch some of the older DVDs to see if they both hold up as films I enjoy, and if the picture quality is acceptable on my current 60" screen (many were bought back when I had a 29" 4x3 tube TV).
But as for Criterion re-watchibility? I kid you not The Fantastic Mr. Fox is my most watched Criterion title (I even upgraded to the Criterion Blu from the regular Blu release).
#9237
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I only buy Criterion titles I’m interested in and don’t really have a whole ton of them. I don’t have much interest in foreign films or the more art house titles they release. I appreciate the care and effort they put in and when I buy their discs I know I’m getting a quality release but I don’t buy just because of the Criterion label. This upcoming Tuesday will be the most I’ve purchased from them in a long time and it’s just two releases (Night of the Living Dead and The Silence of the Lambs).
#9238
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I assume this will make its way to disc:
Janus Films to Release Olivier Assayas’ 4K-Restored ‘Cold Water’ in the U.S. (EXCLUSIVE)
http://variety.com/2018/film/global/...ve-1202692161/
Janus Films to Release Olivier Assayas’ 4K-Restored ‘Cold Water’ in the U.S. (EXCLUSIVE)
http://variety.com/2018/film/global/...ve-1202692161/
#9240
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#shelvinggoals
I never went overboard buying Criterions on DVD, but I do have about 70 on blu-ray. Nearly all were blind buys, but I cut out doing that a few years ago. I do trust that a film will have some artistic or cultural value if it's selected for a Criterion edition, but art is subjective and everyone has different tastes. I always tried to do my research to make sure each movie I bought was something I'd find appealing.
These days, I'm not as willing to roll the dice just because the case has a blue sticker and spine number. That said, I don't really regret what I've picked up so far. I think Vanya on 42nd Street was the only title I immediately sold off because I knew I'd never bother watching it again. Only a handful (House, Brazil, Crumb, Grey Gardens) have high replay value for me, but it's appealing as a collector to own such beautifully restored editions of many classic films -- even if most of them are just gathering dust on my shelf.
I never went overboard buying Criterions on DVD, but I do have about 70 on blu-ray. Nearly all were blind buys, but I cut out doing that a few years ago. I do trust that a film will have some artistic or cultural value if it's selected for a Criterion edition, but art is subjective and everyone has different tastes. I always tried to do my research to make sure each movie I bought was something I'd find appealing.
These days, I'm not as willing to roll the dice just because the case has a blue sticker and spine number. That said, I don't really regret what I've picked up so far. I think Vanya on 42nd Street was the only title I immediately sold off because I knew I'd never bother watching it again. Only a handful (House, Brazil, Crumb, Grey Gardens) have high replay value for me, but it's appealing as a collector to own such beautifully restored editions of many classic films -- even if most of them are just gathering dust on my shelf.
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#9241
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I remember in the early days, when there were fewer than 100 titles available, there was a certain cult of collectors who had to have every spine number Criterion released. This was back when some titles went OOP quickly, and the ultra-rare Salo DVD was selling for $1,200 on the secondary market.
Nowadays, with spine number 1,000 not that far out, it has become burdensomely expensive and impractical for most.
Nowadays, with spine number 1,000 not that far out, it has become burdensomely expensive and impractical for most.
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#9243
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I've purchased many Criterions sight unseen - sometimes it's as much for the experience that their publishing brings as the movie itself. Getting them at a bargain is not as simple as it used to be so it's tempered my enthusiasm a bit. But I have to admit I've discovered films that I love this way as much as any other way.
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Indeed, awesome. Wish I had the room to display like that. I like my drawers and really just my hobby and if I displayed I know my friends and family would have me committed. They don’t even know my sickness...
#9246
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Watched my copy of Silence of the Lambs and this thing is a reference BD. I've yet to dig into the special features but the PQ is phenomenal.
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Yet another fine recent example from a 4K source that makes me continue to wish Criterion would get up off of their butts and include a UHD disc with their new releases so we could have something truly definitive.
#9248
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Criterion consumers who've adopted UHD-BD would be a very small niche of a small niche.
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It wouldn't require that much effort. They're already working from a 4K master in these cases and the additional costs of UHD replication are pretty insubstantial. No need for a separate SKU; just make a combo-pack like they used to with DVD. I'm sure a lot of people would jump into UHD specifically if Criterion got on board. This is a premium brand charging premium prices- they need to step up their offering.
#9250
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It wouldn't require that much effort. They're already working from a 4K master in these cases and the additional costs of UHD replication are pretty insubstantial. No need for a separate SKU; just make a combo-pack like they used to with DVD. I'm sure a lot of people would jump into UHD specifically if Criterion got on board. This is a premium brand charging premium prices- they need to step up their offering.
I agree that they need to step up their game because of the prices they charge, but adding to their cost with an extra disc (and certainly a UHD-BD disc is more expensive to make than DVD or BD) isn't going to be offset by the extra revenue.
In an era of declining sales for physical media, Criterion needs to drop their prices altogether, which means they'll need to reduce their cost instead of increasing it.
And I'm not seeing many people on the Criterion forum clamoring for UHD-BD, unlike when BD was released - many forum members were anxious for Criterion to jump aboard.



