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Old 02-23-08 | 07:27 PM
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Why don't you email Bill Hunt that question?

Are you skeptical of every single glimmer of positive BD news?
Sorry, I wouldn't e-mail Bill that question.

I'm not skeptical, but when someone posts "Paramount is going to release a ton of titles" with no link or anything, I do tend to doubt it. I could post the same thing, would anyone jump on my OMG! Bandwagon? As I said, I'll believe it when I see them, much like when Fox announces titles. Paramount claimed they were going to release a ton of HD DVD titles, and released only a handful in 6 months. I do expect to see Indiana Jones Trilogy in May (or when the 4th hits DVD/Blu-ray), but other then that, I don't know what they are planning, even on the HD DVD front. They have been silent since November with releases, way before Warner had decided. All they announced were Day and Dates...very few to no catalog titles.
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Do you really thing jiggawhat actually knows anything? He's just making an assumption.
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Ok, I give up. Why does everyone here think jiggawhat is special? Can someone clue me in as apparently all the Blu guys take his word as gospel.
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Old 02-23-08 | 08:32 PM
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Ok, I give up. Why does everyone here think jiggawhat is special? Can someone clue me in as apparently all the Blu guys take his word as gospel.
Did you not read candyrocket's post which I highlighted as well?
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Old 02-23-08 | 08:41 PM
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Did you not read candyrocket's post which I highlighted as well?
I did, however it would be much easier to just post exactly what Cartman did rather then the general run-around with winks and what-not.
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Old 02-23-08 | 08:44 PM
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I did, however it would be much easier to just post exactly what Cartman did rather then the general run-around with winks and what-not.
He has specifically asked not to be identified directly with the company for obvious reasons which is why no one has come out and said it.
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Old 02-23-08 | 08:48 PM
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He has specifically asked not to be identified directly with the company for obvious reasons which is why no one has come out and said it.
I have a headache. Where is Indiana Jones?
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Sucks...but we all saw this coming after Warner back-stabbed them.
I'm sure we will hear more of their plans in the coming hours/days from Toshiba, Universal, and Paramount. Will there be a fire sale for discs? Players? Will they just be sent back? Firmware updates?

Blu-ray, today is your day. Stand up, slash prices, and help push HDM adoption to your side. This is it. If you choose not to, and sit on your hands, HDM failing will be because you are too arrogant. If you want out of the less then 1% of media sales, you sure as hell better start letting people know what Blu-ray is and make it affordable. Otherwise we will be having the same thread for you eventually as we all enjoy the next HDM standard or digital.
Well I don't think we as the the comsumer have proven this. I think if "we" start to go out and start buying BD players like crazy, why would Sony and the like lower their prices.I would think they would at the very least they would leave the prices where they are,if not raise them a little. It's not like they have anyone to compete with now(My opinion Beta lost again).
I think what we(the comsumer) do next will dictate what they do. Me I have the A35 and does great with SD and the HD movies I have I will enjoy(TrueHD,DTSHD/MA) with my Denon 3808 . Until BD goes 2.0 for lossless AND can I get a player for what I bought the A35 for($169) I'm happy with what I have. The A35 is a great player and no regretes for $169 at all.It will do just fine until BD gets it together,for me anyway.
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Old 02-23-08 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Why don't you email Bill Hunt that question?

Are you skeptical of every single glimmer of positive BD news?
Well, it's a good point GizmoDVD made. Paramount has proven history of putting out few titles. Why should they change now? What is their motive for producing more titles within a smaller period of time?

Like GizmoDVD, I'll believe it when I see it. It has nothing to do with being Anti-Positive Blu-Ray News. It has everything to do with the movie studio and what their intentions are (as well as history).

Maybe Paramount knows in the near future, they will make more profits of off Blu-ray discs due to...prices. So, yeah, maybe Bill is right.

Until then, we simply won't know until Paramount acts.
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Well I don't think we as the the comsumer have proven this. I think if "we" start to go out and start buying BD players like crazy, why would Sony and the like lower their prices.I would think they would at the very least they would leave the prices where they are,if not raise them a little. It's not like they have anyone to compete with now(My opinion Beta lost again).
I think what we(the comsumer) do next will dictate what they do. Me I have the A35 and does great with SD and the HD movies I have I will enjoy(TrueHD,DTSHD/MA) with my Denon 3808 . Until BD goes 2.0 for lossless AND can I get a player for what I bought the A35 for($169) I'm happy with what I have. The A35 is a great player and no regretes for $169 at all.It will do just fine until BD gets it together,for me anyway.
Umm, Blu-ray has lossless audio as well. My Panasonic BD-30K bitstreams TrueHD and DTS-HD MA to my Onkyo 605 just fine. I'm not sure what you are getting at, exactly? And come to think of it, I don't know off the top of my head a single HD DVD title I own with lossless sound. Paramount and Universal just love DD+. I don't think I have ever been able to use the bitstreaming lossless feature of my HD-A35.

Second, why are you kidding yourself about price? A $169 HD-A35? Yeah, because it is now an obsolete format. Outdated models are always less expensive than up-to date models. Expecting to purchase a new piece of electronics for the same cost as a discontinued model of a now defunct format is a tad bit on the unreasonable side.
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Ok, I give up. Why does everyone here think jiggawhat is special? Can someone clue me in as apparently all the Blu guys take his word as gospel.
For someone who has been on this forum from pretty much inception, I am surprised that you never read anything that was posted.
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Old 02-23-08 | 10:23 PM
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For someone who has been on this forum from pretty much inception, I am surprised that you never read anything that was posted.
To be fair, Gizmo just looks for anything positive for blu-ray. If you dont have anything like that to say, he just skips over and looks for someone who does and then replies. Since you're pretty neutral, no shock he looked over your posts for the past 7 or so years.
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Old 02-23-08 | 11:56 PM
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Second, why are you kidding yourself about price? A $169 HD-A35? Yeah, because it is now an obsolete format. Outdated models are always less expensive than up-to date models. Expecting to purchase a new piece of electronics for the same cost as a discontinued model of a now defunct format is a tad bit on the unreasonable side.
Whether the A35 is defunct, is not what SUPERMANROB is saying. He realized a pricepoint and went with it. This could be what many other HD adopters want as well. Lower prices on HD players. I always welcome this. If Blu-ray is to replace DVD, it will have to price themselves accordingly. Yes, it will take time.

But SUPERMANROB, in the meantime, while Blu-ray prices will get to a point he's interested in, will gladly appreciate his defunct HD DVD player with a selection of hundreds of movies which still play in glorious HD.

Remember, just because HD DVD is dead, does not mean there are not enough titles for an HD enthusiast to start a collection at a really good price. It's not like there are only a few dozen titles available, and we're wondering why these HD DVD Crazy People are investing in this equipment and movie media.

So, yes, HD DVD is defunct. All movie studios have let it go. However, due to the competition we experienced, there were many titles released and there will be many titles floating around for several years between traders.

So, when you think about it, HD DVD might be the catalyst for many people to actually get a start in HD. And then they will go Blu-ray as well.
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I'm not skeptical, but when someone posts "Paramount is going to release a ton of titles" with no link or anything, I do tend to doubt it. I could post the same thing,
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Coupled with the fact there are so few Blu-ray plants at the moment pressing discs and studios already have to wait in line to make titles (with Fox delaying some due to this exact reason, and now Warner ramping up titles) and the yields on them, there is no way Universal could pump out 200 titles in the next 2 years. No way.
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I'm holding out from buying any Blu-Ray disc until they stop putting that hideous, ugly red strip across the cover of all their releases!
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I'm holding out from buying any Blu-Ray disc until they stop putting that hideous, ugly red strip across the cover of all their releases!
What studio are you talking about? Only "strip" I see is the "swoosh" that Disney and a few other studios use.
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QuePaso can you please empty your pm folder so I can send you a message. Thanks.
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Mod Note: Stop the bickering. You know who you are.
And we may just have to close this thread soon.
No longer a 'news' thread but a shouting match based on assumptions.
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Whoops, all cleaned up, didnt realize it was only a limit of 30 on this forum.
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Old 02-24-08 | 11:10 PM
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Umm, Blu-ray has lossless audio as well. My Panasonic BD-30K bitstreams TrueHD and DTS-HD MA to my Onkyo 605 just fine. I'm not sure what you are getting at, exactly? And come to think of it, I don't know off the top of my head a single HD DVD title I own with lossless sound. Paramount and Universal just love DD+. I don't think I have ever been able to use the bitstreaming lossless feature of my HD-A35.

Second, why are you kidding yourself about price? A $169 HD-A35? Yeah, because it is now an obsolete format. Outdated models are always less expensive than up-to date models. Expecting to purchase a new piece of electronics for the same cost as a discontinued model of a now defunct format is a tad bit on the unreasonable side.
Yes I understand where your coming from but I paid $169 and I don't know what you paid for your BD-30K but I can bet it wasn't $169. If you did let me know where and I'm in with BD. If you didn't my A35 does great(as you must know,since you own one) with SD and I am very happy with it's performance until BD comes down in price. I waited for this price range with HD DVD and can do the same with BD.
Oh by the way regarding DTSHD/MA on HD DVD,try Pan's Labyrinth it's awesome.
I'm no expert at this at the least but my understanding is that the majority of the BD players don't do lossless so I think it's that obsolete.
Anyway just my way of looking at this,that's all
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Old 02-25-08 | 07:41 AM
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Well, it's a good point GizmoDVD made. Paramount has proven history of putting out few titles. Why should they change now? What is their motive for producing more titles within a smaller period of time?

Like GizmoDVD, I'll believe it when I see it. It has nothing to do with being Anti-Positive Blu-Ray News. It has everything to do with the movie studio and what their intentions are (as well as history).

Maybe Paramount knows in the near future, they will make more profits of off Blu-ray discs due to...prices. So, yeah, maybe Bill is right.

Until then, we simply won't know until Paramount acts.


I agree. I dunno why people think a studio is going to magically turn things around and start chucking out releases any faster. I'd be skeptical of Paramount doing this, just like I still expect Fox to keep pissing me off by stripping out special features.

There's some quote...how does it go...something about the best indicator of future behavior being past behavior....hmmm...

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Old 02-25-08 | 08:19 AM
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From what he's posted here on the past, I would certainly consider jiggawhat a Paramount insider (even if he can't admit it ).

I just want my Jack Ryans on BD.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

I'm not skeptical, but when someone posts "Paramount is going to release a ton of titles" with no link or anything, I do tend to doubt it. I could post the same thing, would anyone jump on my OMG! Bandwagon?
The difference is Giz, you do not have the same reputation as posting inside info as Jigga does. He works for Paramount. He was dead on with Transformers info, if you need some historical basis.

Maybe now that an established HD-DVD leaner is also backing him, you can lay off him for a bit.
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I agree. I dunno why people think a studio is going to magically turn things around and start chucking out releases any faster.
This is a good point. History has already shown us that going to one format did nothing to improve the quantity of Paramount's output - in fact I think it got worse after August. When Fox releases more than you in the same time period, you know you have problems.

The only difference between then and now is there is no competing HD format and the industry will start to more fully support Blu-Ray. Will that be enough to spur Paramount out of its complacency? I'll believe it when I have my Braveheart and Chinatown Blu-Ray's - two recent SCE DVD's that surely should have had day and date HD releases as well.
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