Warner, New Line, Paramount, Universal ... The Studios/Networks Thread - Part 2
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Completely agree with you. Digital downloads are at least 15-20 years away and I for one am not looking forward to that.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
Why won't this ever be a commercial product? Studio concerns about piracy.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Completely agree with you. Digital downloads are at least 15-20 years away and I for one am not looking forward to that.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Oh, I have no doubt that that is true. But at the same time, I think you're deluding yourself if you think the average 20-year-old is spending their money on CDs.
And if 20yo's (or younger) are not buying CD's, just who is buying the millions of copies of new music? I know I don't know many 30+ yo's that buy rap and those CD's are still flying off the shelves in many places.
#354
Originally Posted by rdclark
Netflix thinks it'll work. TiVo/Amazon thinks it'll work.
Originally Posted by rdclark
It's far too late for that. Any attempt to introduce a new format now would kill the HDM market for good, for everybody. None of the majors would go there, even if it were feasible to start a new format from scratch with zero installed base of players, which is a fantasy.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
One incredibly cheap (except for storage costs) and amazingly elegant solution is XBMC. I use it in my home theater.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=635294
Sample screen shot.
XBMC queries IMDB in a CDDB-like fashion to get cover art thumbnails. And it can do so much more - internet radio, shoutcast, photo slide shows from your server.
#356
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Originally Posted by cardaway
I made no comments about what that demographic is buying so there was no need to throw around loaded comments like "deluding" myself. It's offensive and unecessary.
Originally Posted by cardaway
I don't know about showing off a collection being an issue, but I can agree that the majority will not want to give up having a backup copy of movies they puchased.
#357
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Originally Posted by cardaway
No offense, but you sound like clueless teen. But no offense right, since I started my comment with "no offense".
My point was not about the music I have downloaded, but the digital copies (iPod) of the hundreds of DVD's I (and millions of other "old" people) own. If things were to go wrong it's nice to know the hard copies are there to upload again.
I feel the same way about the stuff I have downloaded and will likely always burn those to disc as well. But that's because I simply don't trust iTunes to have the songs available again should something happen to my digital version.
I feel the same way about the stuff I have downloaded and will likely always burn those to disc as well. But that's because I simply don't trust iTunes to have the songs available again should something happen to my digital version.
As for the "fixed" crap, Please take that part out of your post. I find it very offensive for people to modify the posts of others in that manner. Call me old, but IMO it's very inappropriate in forums like this one.
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Originally Posted by slop101
*ahem*
I still totally disagree with you but the insulting remarks have driven me away from the discussion.
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I'm going to repost my thing now that everyone seems to be definitively talking about downloads.
Until it's literally click-of-a-button, don't expect digital downloads to be a big deal. However, even I have to admit I'd be interested in being able to go on Amazon, press a button, and for five bucks immediately be able to watch the movie I wanted. But even then, I still think that basically ruins the video-rental market, not the video-collector market.
Also, I think that it would need to basically mean you're buying your IP address (or something similar) access to a permanent, Amazon-hosted copy of the movie that you can access from any media device Amazon recognizes as belonging to you, so that if your computer crashes you won't have to worry about losing the movie, because the website knows you purchased it.
The thing about downloading is that the majority of the people who currently download movies just watch them once and delete them, not to mention the fact that they're probably pirates and want stuff for free. Sure, digital downloads could easily erase, say, the video-rental market in the forseeable future, but try to imagine a world where the Best Buys and Circuit Citys of the world don't carry physical media -- it just doesn't seem possible, and until we're in flying cars I don't think it's a real risk. If Blu-Ray, an easy-to-understand next-gen format that's basically like what we have and love but better, is not going to top SD-DVD, then how can we possibly suggest that digital downloading, a somewhat foreign non-format that easily alienates or disinterests potential users will somehow dwarf both SD-DVD and Blu-Ray, not to mention material media in general?
Also, I think that it would need to basically mean you're buying your IP address (or something similar) access to a permanent, Amazon-hosted copy of the movie that you can access from any media device Amazon recognizes as belonging to you, so that if your computer crashes you won't have to worry about losing the movie, because the website knows you purchased it.
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
I'm going to repost my thing now that everyone seems to be definitively talking about downloads.
Until it's literally click-of-a-button, don't expect digital downloads to be a big deal. However, even I have to admit I'd be interested in being able to go on Amazon, press a button, and for five bucks immediately be able to watch the movie I wanted.
Until it's literally click-of-a-button, don't expect digital downloads to be a big deal. However, even I have to admit I'd be interested in being able to go on Amazon, press a button, and for five bucks immediately be able to watch the movie I wanted.
#362
Originally Posted by cardaway
Even then I would not feel comfortable going that route at this point. Ever watch or download a TV show online. Often those things can't get through 42 minutes without glitching out. What hope does a 90 minute plus movie have? Imagine that happening with something you actually paid for.
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Just imagine paying for Lord Of the Rings Trilogy...Extended Editions. How much data would that be. 180GB or so? Not including the extras on those editions.
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Originally Posted by droidguy1119
Until it's literally click-of-a-button, don't expect digital downloads to be a big deal. However, even I have to admit I'd be interested in being able to go on Amazon, press a button, and for five bucks immediately be able to watch the movie I wanted.
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Originally Posted by Lord Rick
This already exists and has for years. There are expensive commercial solutions.
One incredibly cheap (except for storage costs) and amazingly elegant solution is XBMC. I use it in my home theater.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=635294
Sample screen shot.
XBMC queries IMDB in a CDDB-like fashion to get cover art thumbnails. And it can do so much more - internet radio, shoutcast, photo slide shows from your server.
One incredibly cheap (except for storage costs) and amazingly elegant solution is XBMC. I use it in my home theater.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=635294
Sample screen shot.
XBMC queries IMDB in a CDDB-like fashion to get cover art thumbnails. And it can do so much more - internet radio, shoutcast, photo slide shows from your server.
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Originally Posted by slop101
You just described Xbox Live's movie download service. You pick your movie, and after just a few seconds of buffering, you can start watching it, in HD, no less. It still has a ways to go to be optimal, but it's a lot closer than you think it is.
This is what gets me about VOD. People are like "Well, maybe in the future, when I can have my pick of hundreds of movies, and it doesn't cost me more than renting from my local movie place."
Right now, I've got four different ways to get legal/legit VOD that I know of: iTunes, Xbox Live, Amazon Unbox, and through my cable provider. These are the ones I know about and I've never searched out any other providers or solutions.
Just wait 5-10 years.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
This is what gets me about VOD. People are like "Well, maybe in the future, when I can have my pick of hundreds of movies, and it doesn't cost me more than renting from my local movie place."
Right now, I've got four different ways to get legal/legit VOD that I know of: iTunes, Xbox Live, Amazon Unbox, and through my cable provider. These are the ones I know about and I've never searched out any other providers or solutions.
Just wait 5-10 years.
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Microsoft Would Consider Blu-ray for Xbox
If HD DVD does indeed fail and Blu-ray is officially crowned the winner of the format war, a Microsoft exec has conceded that MS would consider offering a Blu-ray player for Xbox 360.
With the recent Warner Bros. announcement that the studio will exclusively support Blu-ray over HD DVD, many industry watchers suspect that the format war is nearing its end with Blu-ray victorious. HD DVD player sales for the Xbox 360 would seem likely to dry up as a result, but in the event of a final Blu-ray victory, would Microsoft support Sony's format?
According to Albert Penello, group marketing manager for Xbox, Microsoft will "consider" the option. "It should be consumer choice; and if that's the way they vote, that's something we'll have to consider," he told Reuters .
Penello added, however, that he doesn't think Warner's decision really affects the Xbox 360 much at all. "I fundamentally don't think ... this has a significant impact on Xbox 360 versus (Sony's) PlayStation 3," he said, adding, "With the PlayStation 2, DVD was a big part in the beginning, but over time, people were not buying it as a DVD player after first year or two."
Penello isn't totally convinced that HD DVD has lost either, despite Warner's decision. "You can't say it's not a bummer, not a setback, but I've seen this battle declared over so many times," he noted. "I want consumers to have a voice in this and I think there are a lot of consumers who bought HD DVD who are going to have a say in how this shakes out."
If HD DVD does indeed fail and Blu-ray is officially crowned the winner of the format war, a Microsoft exec has conceded that MS would consider offering a Blu-ray player for Xbox 360.
With the recent Warner Bros. announcement that the studio will exclusively support Blu-ray over HD DVD, many industry watchers suspect that the format war is nearing its end with Blu-ray victorious. HD DVD player sales for the Xbox 360 would seem likely to dry up as a result, but in the event of a final Blu-ray victory, would Microsoft support Sony's format?
According to Albert Penello, group marketing manager for Xbox, Microsoft will "consider" the option. "It should be consumer choice; and if that's the way they vote, that's something we'll have to consider," he told Reuters .
Penello added, however, that he doesn't think Warner's decision really affects the Xbox 360 much at all. "I fundamentally don't think ... this has a significant impact on Xbox 360 versus (Sony's) PlayStation 3," he said, adding, "With the PlayStation 2, DVD was a big part in the beginning, but over time, people were not buying it as a DVD player after first year or two."
Penello isn't totally convinced that HD DVD has lost either, despite Warner's decision. "You can't say it's not a bummer, not a setback, but I've seen this battle declared over so many times," he noted. "I want consumers to have a voice in this and I think there are a lot of consumers who bought HD DVD who are going to have a say in how this shakes out."
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I totally expect there to be a BD add-on at some point (which would also make it a dual-format player with the HD DVD add-on). They're not going to want to let Sony have the combination console/HD movie player market to themselves.
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Originally Posted by slop101
You just described Xbox Live's movie download service. You pick your movie, and after just a few seconds of buffering, you can start watching it, in HD, no less. It still has a ways to go to be optimal, but it's a lot closer than you think it is.
Maybe, just maybe I could see it as a rental replacement, but there is no way I will ever pay to "own" a copy of a movie that I really don't "own". The risks far outweigh the rewards.
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Well, shit, I'm in the same boat as you (being on DVDTalk and all), and I love having a movie collection. But you have to understand, this is not the norm - not even close. Out of the hundreds of people I know, only about 2 have any sort of dvd collection. Everyone else rents. If it replaces rentals, that's enough. Though there will alway be a bone thrown at the collectors, like us. Digital downloads could even be a boon to collectors, as it might make the studios go the extra mile for the physical release to entice us more.
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That would be fine by me. I could even see myself renting more, provided that a) the rental price is reasonable ($3.99 maximum for brand new, blockbuster titles, $2 or less for everything else), b) the quality matches Blu-ray (which, from every review of every service I've heard of so far, it does not), and c) every movie I want to rent is available, whenever I want to rent it. None of this "moratorium" crap that Disney pulls with their sell-through titles.
Aside from the potential that this delivery mechanism could destroy the physical media model, my other huge concern is that every competing service is/will be a closed system. You pay them for their box (which I kind of have a beef with, right out of the gate), and you get their service, and their service only. I can imagine that different services will be vying for market share in the most cutthroat ways imaginable. What happens if one of them (such as MS, given their immense size), tries to work out exclusive deals on some movies. Finding out that you subscribed to the "wrong" service would really turn me off to the whole model.
Aside from the potential that this delivery mechanism could destroy the physical media model, my other huge concern is that every competing service is/will be a closed system. You pay them for their box (which I kind of have a beef with, right out of the gate), and you get their service, and their service only. I can imagine that different services will be vying for market share in the most cutthroat ways imaginable. What happens if one of them (such as MS, given their immense size), tries to work out exclusive deals on some movies. Finding out that you subscribed to the "wrong" service would really turn me off to the whole model.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Completely agree with you. Digital downloads are at least 15-20 years away and I for one am not looking forward to that.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
What would be really sweet is this if you could load up your movie collection onto a home server and just click and browse through the movies you have. The first initial load up of this would take a while, but imagine that. All your movies at your fingertips and whenever you get a new disc just load it up to the server and put it away. You get the best of both worlds. I can't even imagine how much a storage array like that would cost to support such large collections.
I'm still surprised at the fact that no one has yet created a movie equivalent of the CDDB.
This stuff should all be finalized in a year or 2 and by then, hopefully, hard drive prices will get a lot lower. A 1TB western digital drive is still 280+ bux, and would only hold 30-50 Blu-Ray movies on it, depending on the size of the movie and extras. Also, Sigma Designs is working with TV companys at the moment to put in the same chipsets from Blu-Ray players inside the TVs themselves, all with wireless networking, so all you do is turn on your PC and turn on your TV, and stream the movies and have the TV act as your Blu-Ray players. All of this is coming, just not immediately.
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I hope that they allow us to customize it by taking out stuff we don't want. If I had such a thing (after storage prices go WAY down), I'd like to be able to leave out the FBI warnings and previews. Plus, there's no need to have the PCM and French TrueHD tracks on Superbad eating up space when the English TrueHD track would be enough. However, I'm afraid it would be the whole disc or nothing.