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Originally Posted by ianholm
Does anyone know if Enemy of The State was delayed? I don't see anyone online who has it in stock and my Best Buy didn't have it today either.
Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore
Flightplan and Casanova are the only titles delayed. We received Annapolis, The Wild, and Sky High late last week. Goal and Enemy of the States are shipping late according to an email we received from Disney yesterday, but neither has been delayed. I don't know if stores will get them by street or not.
#153
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I think most gaming systems are worthless at the beginning....Like he said, its not worth the hype.
Seriously, do you really consider an article that includes the phrases "patience, young padawan," and "without rumble, it just ain't a jungle" as good writing?
Another thing that irks me about the article is that aside from the little he writes about the game Resistance ("hey, it's a fun game!"), there's nothing in the article about the PS3 that wasn't known before the system came out. Both the NYT and Next-Gen.biz write about actually using the system and how it performed in at least some detail.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
Seriously, do you really consider an article that includes the phrases "patience, young padawan," and "without rumble, it just ain't a jungle" as good writing?

I just paid attention to his points.
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[We don't have a PS3 thread so this seems to be the place for this.]
Interesting WSJ column on what's inside the PS3:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116407595602129072.html
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Interesting WSJ column on what's inside the PS3:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116407595602129072.html
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TALKING TECH
By LEE GOMES
A Peek Under PlayStation 3's Hood
Shows Sony Is Selling Units at a Loss
November 21, 2006; Page B4
Sony Corp. began selling its PlayStation 3 last week with a price tag of $599 for its top model, making it one of the priciest videogame consoles ever. As it does with scores of new gadgets launched each year, iSuppli Corp., a technology-research outfit in San Jose, Calif., took apart the PlayStation 3 to estimate how much it cost to make. The conclusion: Despite the game player's high price, Sony will be losing as much as $240 for each unit sold, at least at first, on account of all the console's specialized chips and other components. Andrew Rassweiler, senior analyst at iSuppli, talks about his company's "teardown" of the hot new product.
* * *
So what does the PlayStation 3 look like on the inside?
It looks very much like some of the Apple devices we've taken apart. There is a lot going on in there; it's almost a supercomputer. The motherboard has so much silicon on it, with so much heat coming off of it, that they had to make a custom enclosure to draw heat off the chips. That means the motherboard is caged in its own monstrous custom cooling cage, which is something we had never seen before. There is also a large-diameter fan, the likes of which we have never seen. It's much bigger than the fan in your PC.
Why does the PlayStation 3 remind you of an Apple product?
Apple pushes the design envelope, in that they try to pack as much into as little space as possible. The PlayStation 3 employs a lot of the same tricks and techniques, in that they have packed a lot of power into this box. For example, the new Xbox 360 has an external power supply that is 200 watts. But the PlayStation 3 has a 400-watt power supply, but it's internal. So in addition to the motherboard with all those chips, they've also jammed a high-density power supply, something that also creates its own heat. All that requires some very clever engineering. By comparison, the Xbox 360 felt like a PC motherboard.
Did it look like anything you had seen before?
We have been doing this for four years, and during all that time, we have only seen three chips with [an input/output] count of more than 1,200. But the PlayStation 3 has three such chips all by itself. These input/output locations are the places where the chip is soldered to the motherboard; they are how the chip communicates with the outside world, and their number is a good benchmark for the chip's complexity. That means the silicon chips inside the PlayStation 3 have more than 1,200 small bumps on their bottom side, even though the chips measure just an inch and a half by an inch and a half.
Even though console makers such as Sony usually make their money on game royalties, rather than hardware, $240 is a lot of money to lose on each unit. Have you ever seen a gap between price tag and production cost that is so big?
No. But remember, you have a relatively long life cycle in games, so you've really got to shoot for the bleeding edge if you want your product to be relevant over a four-year life span. As a result, you end up using new technologies that tend to be more expensive upfront. But if we were to redo this analysis a year from now, it will be very different. When we did the Xbox 360 a year ago, we said it cost them $550 to make, compared to a price tag of $500. Now the same box a year later costs about $325 to make.
What is it like to actually play games on the PlayStation 3?
We didn't have any time to play. The first thing we did when we opened the box is take a screwdriver to it.
By LEE GOMES
A Peek Under PlayStation 3's Hood
Shows Sony Is Selling Units at a Loss
November 21, 2006; Page B4
Sony Corp. began selling its PlayStation 3 last week with a price tag of $599 for its top model, making it one of the priciest videogame consoles ever. As it does with scores of new gadgets launched each year, iSuppli Corp., a technology-research outfit in San Jose, Calif., took apart the PlayStation 3 to estimate how much it cost to make. The conclusion: Despite the game player's high price, Sony will be losing as much as $240 for each unit sold, at least at first, on account of all the console's specialized chips and other components. Andrew Rassweiler, senior analyst at iSuppli, talks about his company's "teardown" of the hot new product.
* * *
So what does the PlayStation 3 look like on the inside?
It looks very much like some of the Apple devices we've taken apart. There is a lot going on in there; it's almost a supercomputer. The motherboard has so much silicon on it, with so much heat coming off of it, that they had to make a custom enclosure to draw heat off the chips. That means the motherboard is caged in its own monstrous custom cooling cage, which is something we had never seen before. There is also a large-diameter fan, the likes of which we have never seen. It's much bigger than the fan in your PC.
Why does the PlayStation 3 remind you of an Apple product?
Apple pushes the design envelope, in that they try to pack as much into as little space as possible. The PlayStation 3 employs a lot of the same tricks and techniques, in that they have packed a lot of power into this box. For example, the new Xbox 360 has an external power supply that is 200 watts. But the PlayStation 3 has a 400-watt power supply, but it's internal. So in addition to the motherboard with all those chips, they've also jammed a high-density power supply, something that also creates its own heat. All that requires some very clever engineering. By comparison, the Xbox 360 felt like a PC motherboard.
Did it look like anything you had seen before?
We have been doing this for four years, and during all that time, we have only seen three chips with [an input/output] count of more than 1,200. But the PlayStation 3 has three such chips all by itself. These input/output locations are the places where the chip is soldered to the motherboard; they are how the chip communicates with the outside world, and their number is a good benchmark for the chip's complexity. That means the silicon chips inside the PlayStation 3 have more than 1,200 small bumps on their bottom side, even though the chips measure just an inch and a half by an inch and a half.
Even though console makers such as Sony usually make their money on game royalties, rather than hardware, $240 is a lot of money to lose on each unit. Have you ever seen a gap between price tag and production cost that is so big?
No. But remember, you have a relatively long life cycle in games, so you've really got to shoot for the bleeding edge if you want your product to be relevant over a four-year life span. As a result, you end up using new technologies that tend to be more expensive upfront. But if we were to redo this analysis a year from now, it will be very different. When we did the Xbox 360 a year ago, we said it cost them $550 to make, compared to a price tag of $500. Now the same box a year later costs about $325 to make.
What is it like to actually play games on the PlayStation 3?
We didn't have any time to play. The first thing we did when we opened the box is take a screwdriver to it.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
Seriously, do you really consider an article that includes the phrases "patience, young padawan," and "without rumble, it just ain't a jungle" as good writing?
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Isn't Time Magazine written for old folks? I don't see too many young people reading Time.
Maybe Blender but not Time.
Maybe Blender but not Time.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Isn't Time Magazine written for old folks? I don't see too many young people reading Time.
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Originally Posted by Rusty James
Isn't the average age of home video game players somewhere around 25-30? Are you saying even that's too young to read Time?
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Originally Posted by matome
I'm 36 and I don't seem to have any friends with Time sitting on their coffee tables or next to the toilet. Maybe I need different friends 

#164
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Who the hell is interested in a PS3? I didn't realize the demographic was scientists and scholars.
It's not like writing with a modicum of professionalism would make it unreadable to anyone without a PhD either. The NYT article was 10x more literate, but still completely understandable.
Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Actually, I didnt even notice....Not that it isnt poorly written, but I read so many emails and message board posts that it all starts to sound the same. 

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Originally Posted by Jay G.
And that's really the point. Time Magazine should be looking to excel above the emails, board posts, and blogs that are standardly written. People will seek out Time because they're supposed to be professional journalists, so their articles should reflect that.
Kinda like what Cadillac did....they were doomed without change, so they put their cars in the hands of rap artists and put them in the Matrix to inject some youth.
I understand what your saying...I just dont have a problem with it.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I guess, but I think like others have said, they are trying to appeal to a younger crowd (who read emails, blogs and so on).
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
so did Time magazine...
"Sony's Playstation 3 is Not Worth the Hype"
http://www.time.com/time/business/pr...560635,00.html
"Sony's Playstation 3 is Not Worth the Hype"
http://www.time.com/time/business/pr...560635,00.html
Congratulations! I didn't realize you were considering buying a Blu Ray player.
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
Congratulations! I didn't realize you were considering buying a Blu Ray player.
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I'm in. 
I got 32 Blu-Ray discs in the mail on Monday. Now I have to pick a player. Any rumors if the Sony model is coming out soon? I might just pick up a refurb Samsung and wait for the Gen 2 players to be released before spending too much.

I got 32 Blu-Ray discs in the mail on Monday. Now I have to pick a player. Any rumors if the Sony model is coming out soon? I might just pick up a refurb Samsung and wait for the Gen 2 players to be released before spending too much.
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
This is a placeholder thread for general Blu-ray news and discussion that don't individually warrant their own threads.
If you do not own, are not in the market for, and have no interest in acquiring an Blu-ray player, don't post. Baiting and argumentative posts will be removed on sight.
If you do not own, are not in the market for, and have no interest in acquiring an Blu-ray player, don't post. Baiting and argumentative posts will be removed on sight.
Very true, but I don't think he meets Adams criteria. His only posts are of the negative nature, which is not supposed to be tolerated anymore. He has made it very clear that he will only purchase a BD player if Hell freezes over.
Besides, the article was not really negative about the PS3's capabilities, only on its price and lack of killer apps.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Any rumors if the Sony model is coming out soon?

That movie was littered with Sony products. I was waiting for it to show Bond playing the PS3.
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Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I'm in. 
I got 32 Blu-Ray discs in the mail on Monday. Now I have to pick a player. Any rumors if the Sony model is coming out soon? I might just pick up a refurb Samsung and wait for the Gen 2 players to be released before spending too much.

I got 32 Blu-Ray discs in the mail on Monday. Now I have to pick a player. Any rumors if the Sony model is coming out soon? I might just pick up a refurb Samsung and wait for the Gen 2 players to be released before spending too much.
Congrats!
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I dont know, but the security room at the Ocean Club in Nassau had one (according to Casino Royale). 
That movie was littered with Sony products. I was waiting for it to show Bond playing the PS3.

That movie was littered with Sony products. I was waiting for it to show Bond playing the PS3.
I don't know why I even want the Sony among the rest of them, but I figure if it has been held back this long it has to be pretty good by now. the more I save on hardware this early in the Hd game the more I have to spend on software.
When I get the Blu-Ray player in, and have time enough to watch most of this stuff, I'll give my views. I can compare both optical formats to D-Vhs as well if needed.
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
His only posts are of the negative nature, which is not supposed to be tolerated anymore.
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I got 32 Blu-Ray discs in the mail on Monday.



