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02-24-07 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
Go read the last few pages of the HD DVD thread and see if the Blu Ray supporters are crapping in there. I just skimmed through the last 4 pages and could only find one comment that could be construed as argumentative. It is totally obvious who the posters that are in the wrong are in this forum and they usually are not BD supporters.
When did Freak get a BD player? What titles does he own? I assume only Flight Plan. I'd address this to him, but he doesn't read my posts...
When did Freak get a BD player? What titles does he own? I assume only Flight Plan. I'd address this to him, but he doesn't read my posts...
02-24-07 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by namja
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ALSO ... please stop the fight over the extras. There are some of you who insist on getting all the SD extras in HD discs, and you let everyone know it everytime a disc comes out w/o all the extras. And there are those who always reply with a "we don't care about extras" comments. We get it now.
ALSO ... please stop the fight over the extras. There are some of you who insist on getting all the SD extras in HD discs, and you let everyone know it everytime a disc comes out w/o all the extras. And there are those who always reply with a "we don't care about extras" comments. We get it now.
The inclusion or lack of extras is a valid topic of discussion. I don't see any moderators stepping in to stifle debate in the main DVD Talk forum when a double-dip DVD release comes out and doesn't include all the extras from the previous edition, or when people complain that it's not worth buying just for the extras. There's no difference here. Some people find the extras very important and it will affect their buying decision if a disc doesn't carry everything over.
02-24-07 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
So what are we allowed to discuss then? The weather?
The inclusion or lack of extras is a valid topic of discussion. I don't see any moderators stepping in to stifle debate in the main DVD Talk forum when a double-dip DVD release comes out and doesn't include all the extras from the previous edition, or when people complain that it's not worth buying just for the extras. There's no difference here. Some people find the extras very important and it will affect their buying decision if a disc doesn't carry everything over.
The inclusion or lack of extras is a valid topic of discussion. I don't see any moderators stepping in to stifle debate in the main DVD Talk forum when a double-dip DVD release comes out and doesn't include all the extras from the previous edition, or when people complain that it's not worth buying just for the extras. There's no difference here. Some people find the extras very important and it will affect their buying decision if a disc doesn't carry everything over.
I didn't say don't discuss extras. In fact, we encourage the discussion of extras. Just don't make a post that takes a jab at a format. Posts like "my_format has this-and-this extras but your_format doesn't, so guess which format I'll be buying?" kind of a post is not welcome in this thread. Take that somewhere else.
edit: Since one of you asked, and I have no time to parse through the entire thread, posts like #513 and #527 are not welcome here. Also, please keep this thread about BD news and discussions. If you want to discuss mod actions, please e-mail a mod.
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02-25-07 | 10:02 AM
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Here's a list of upcoming Blu-Ray titles that are included in a leaflet that's in UK Disney DVD's now:
The Rock
Crimson Tide
Bruce Almighty
POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl
King Arthur
Deja Vu
Sin City
Enemy of the State
Pearl Harbour
Sky High
Chicken Little
Scary Movie 4
The Guardian
Gone in 60 Seconds
Flightplan
Eight Below
Breaking and Entering
POTC: Dead Mans Chest
Finding Neverland
Con Air
Dinosaur
Hollywoodland
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Air Force One
The Rock
Crimson Tide
Bruce Almighty
POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl
King Arthur
Deja Vu
Sin City
Enemy of the State
Pearl Harbour
Sky High
Chicken Little
Scary Movie 4
The Guardian
Gone in 60 Seconds
Flightplan
Eight Below
Breaking and Entering
POTC: Dead Mans Chest
Finding Neverland
Con Air
Dinosaur
Hollywoodland
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Air Force One
02-26-07 | 01:26 PM
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Sony releases 2nd Gen Blu-ray player BDP-S300 $599 MSRP, early summer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070226/...u_ray_player_2
Sony releases 2nd Gen Blu-ray player BDP-S300 $599 MSRP, early summer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070226/...u_ray_player_2
NEW YORK - Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news). said Monday it is bringing out a cheaper player for Blu-ray discs early this summer, a crucial step in its battle to make the high-definition format the replacement for DVDs.
The BDP-S300 will cost $599, yet will have the same capabilities as the $999 BDP-S1 Sony is currently selling, said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of the home products division of Sony Electronics.
Sony and Samsung Corp., which also makes a Blu-ray player, have been undersold by Toshiba Corp.'s players for the rival HD DVD format. Toshiba has a model on the market for $499.
However, sales of players for either format have been tepid, as consumers have stood back, waiting for the market to settle on one of the discs.
Most people buying high-definition discs are apparently doing so to play them on PlayStation 3 game consoles. There are two versions of the console, for $499 and $599, and Sony sold 1.8 million units last year.
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it," Waynick told reporters at a meeting here.
"The consumers have determined that that's the format they're choosing to go with," he said, citing retail data from Nielsen VideoScan that showed Blu-ray discs outselling HD DVDs by three to one this year.
The BDP-S300 is a smaller unit than the BDP-S1, and is about the same size as a DVD player. Like the current model, it will be able to output a signal in the highest high-definition format, known as 1080p. It will also be able to play CDs, which the BDP-S1 does not.
Stan Glasgow, president of Sony Electronics, told reporters at a meeting here that by Christmas, prices for Blu-ray players should be down below $500.
Sony has previously complained that DVD players became a commodity product too soon, and that it was hard to make a profit in a market dominated by $50 units. Glasgow predicted that Blu-ray players would take the same route.
"Over time, I think it will be just like DVD," he said.
The BDP-S300 will cost $599, yet will have the same capabilities as the $999 BDP-S1 Sony is currently selling, said Randy Waynick, senior vice president of the home products division of Sony Electronics.
Sony and Samsung Corp., which also makes a Blu-ray player, have been undersold by Toshiba Corp.'s players for the rival HD DVD format. Toshiba has a model on the market for $499.
However, sales of players for either format have been tepid, as consumers have stood back, waiting for the market to settle on one of the discs.
Most people buying high-definition discs are apparently doing so to play them on PlayStation 3 game consoles. There are two versions of the console, for $499 and $599, and Sony sold 1.8 million units last year.
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it," Waynick told reporters at a meeting here.
"The consumers have determined that that's the format they're choosing to go with," he said, citing retail data from Nielsen VideoScan that showed Blu-ray discs outselling HD DVDs by three to one this year.
The BDP-S300 is a smaller unit than the BDP-S1, and is about the same size as a DVD player. Like the current model, it will be able to output a signal in the highest high-definition format, known as 1080p. It will also be able to play CDs, which the BDP-S1 does not.
Stan Glasgow, president of Sony Electronics, told reporters at a meeting here that by Christmas, prices for Blu-ray players should be down below $500.
Sony has previously complained that DVD players became a commodity product too soon, and that it was hard to make a profit in a market dominated by $50 units. Glasgow predicted that Blu-ray players would take the same route.
"Over time, I think it will be just like DVD," he said.
02-26-07 | 01:36 PM
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I dont buy this...
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it,"
I think its probably fuzzy math.
If he is right and 1.8 million PS3s were sold. Then, thats 1.4 million BD discs sold (1 movie per PS3 sold * 80%).
Have they sold that many discs since the PS3 was launched? IMO, it sounds like another lie from Sony.
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it,"
I think its probably fuzzy math.
If he is right and 1.8 million PS3s were sold. Then, thats 1.4 million BD discs sold (1 movie per PS3 sold * 80%).
Have they sold that many discs since the PS3 was launched? IMO, it sounds like another lie from Sony.
02-26-07 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I dont buy this...
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it,"
I think its probably fuzzy math.
If he is right and 1.8 million PS3s were sold. Then, thats 1.4 million BD discs sold (1 movie per PS3 sold * 80%).
Have they sold that many discs since the PS3 was launched? IMO, it sounds like another lie from Sony.
"Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it,"
I think its probably fuzzy math.
If he is right and 1.8 million PS3s were sold. Then, thats 1.4 million BD discs sold (1 movie per PS3 sold * 80%).
Have they sold that many discs since the PS3 was launched? IMO, it sounds like another lie from Sony.
02-26-07 | 02:17 PM
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"Three to one"??? When did THAT happen?
Oh, I get it -- they're speculating. Well, I speculate that within the next five to ten years, AI will overthrow the human race and we'll all be hunted for our proteins which will then be used for some sort of robot narcotic. Ironically enough, it will have all been triggered innocently enough by the implementation of BD+ . . .
As for the capabilities of the BDP-S300, will it be able to do BD-J?
As for price, $599 is still a heck of a lot more than $299 . . .
Oh, I get it -- they're speculating. Well, I speculate that within the next five to ten years, AI will overthrow the human race and we'll all be hunted for our proteins which will then be used for some sort of robot narcotic. Ironically enough, it will have all been triggered innocently enough by the implementation of BD+ . . .
As for the capabilities of the BDP-S300, will it be able to do BD-J?
As for price, $599 is still a heck of a lot more than $299 . . .
02-26-07 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
That does not even take into account people who bought the Samsung, Pioneer, or Sony machines. Even then, where do they pull these numbers from?
He also said "movies" implying more than 1 per PS3 sold. I think its rubbish and more garbage coming from a marketing exec idiot.
02-26-07 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
That does not even take into account people who bought the Samsung, Pioneer, or Sony machines. Even then, where do they pull these numbers from?
Probably the same place that Toshiba pulled it's 28 title attach rate from at CES.
02-26-07 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by matome
Probably the same place that Toshiba pulled it's 28 title attach rate from at CES.
if you believe the toshiba #'s to be false as well, can you please share some proof?
Just want to make sure we're on even playing field here. I'm not saying they ARE right (that was for you, Namja). I'd just like to know if this is just a snipe or a legitimate response.
02-26-07 | 02:48 PM
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HD-DVD CES 2007 Press Release
28 x 175,000 = 4,900,000 discs
Don't see why Sony can't do the same thing in their press releases.
As of January 5th, there are estimated to be more than
175,000 HD DVD players sold in North America, with new models in high
demand. Using Nielsen data and retailer reports for title sales to date,
the HD DVD studios projected an annualized attach rate of 28 movies per
player.
175,000 HD DVD players sold in North America, with new models in high
demand. Using Nielsen data and retailer reports for title sales to date,
the HD DVD studios projected an annualized attach rate of 28 movies per
player.
Don't see why Sony can't do the same thing in their press releases.
02-26-07 | 02:51 PM
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I have a lot of doubts about those PS3 numbers. There is no telling how many of those discs were bought by standalone owners, but I guess non PS3 owners don't count in the Blu-ray world.
02-26-07 | 02:53 PM
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One difference is that Toshiba is projecting (or completely making up, depending on how you want to look at it) what an "annualized attach rate" is, meaning that they're estimating what people will own at some point in the future.
So, they're talking about purchases that may not have been made.
When you say "Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it", that tense means the purchase has already been made.
I call bullshit on both numbers, but at least Toshiba can weasel their way out of it with the 'annualized attach rate' qualifier.
So, they're talking about purchases that may not have been made.
When you say "Eighty percent of people who buy a PS3 also buy Blu-ray movies to go with it", that tense means the purchase has already been made.
I call bullshit on both numbers, but at least Toshiba can weasel their way out of it with the 'annualized attach rate' qualifier.
02-26-07 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I call bullshit on both numbers, but at least Toshiba can weasel their way out of it with the 'annualized attach rate' qualifier.
, but that's PR for you.They're both wrong. They're both designed to confuse the consumers. But that's how the game is played.
02-26-07 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by matome
So the Sapphire model arrives.
Sony releases 2nd Gen Blu-ray player BDP-S300 $599 MSRP, early summer
Sony releases 2nd Gen Blu-ray player BDP-S300 $599 MSRP, early summer
Anyways, love that list price of $599. I may hold off on the Sammy 1200 if the Sony plays BD-J content.
I'm guessing Sony actually made this unit as opposed to being a rebranded Pioneer.
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02-26-07 | 03:38 PM
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A more affordable player is a step in the right direction for BD. But this will probably be countered by a price drop in HDD players, or entry-level Chinese models at cut-rate prices.
BD needs to take the original XBOX model - you sell the machine at a loss because games are where you make your money. Clearly, Toshiba gets this and the BD forum does not.
It's very easy - without players in homes, there's no one to buy your movies.
BD needs to take the original XBOX model - you sell the machine at a loss because games are where you make your money. Clearly, Toshiba gets this and the BD forum does not.
It's very easy - without players in homes, there's no one to buy your movies.
02-26-07 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
BD needs to take the original XBOX model - you sell the machine at a loss because games are where you make your money. Clearly, Toshiba gets this and the BD forum does not.
It's very easy - without players in homes, there's no one to buy your movies.
02-26-07 | 03:44 PM
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I guess they won't want to steal any thunder from the PS3. If they have a 5-1 advantage in hardware, their attach rates for software should probably be higher since everyone considers the PS3 a bd player.
Some retailers are expecting Toshiba to lower their players to $299 this Fall, which is close to when the new Sonys drop. That's when I'd lower the price if I were them. This Fall/Winter season will be very interesting because the formats will have been out for more than a year and we'll start to see some aggressive pricing via hardware. I think '07 is the key to giving one side a leg up.
Some retailers are expecting Toshiba to lower their players to $299 this Fall, which is close to when the new Sonys drop. That's when I'd lower the price if I were them. This Fall/Winter season will be very interesting because the formats will have been out for more than a year and we'll start to see some aggressive pricing via hardware. I think '07 is the key to giving one side a leg up.
02-26-07 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by matome
HD-DVD CES 2007 Press Release
28 x 175,000 = 4,900,000 discs
Don't see why Sony can't do the same thing in their press releases.
28 x 175,000 = 4,900,000 discs
Don't see why Sony can't do the same thing in their press releases.
They also don't claim that the format war is over and that they won like Sony did in a recent press release. Sony has been very pompous and arrogant for a while in this "war".
That said, I do understand that both sides have marketing idiots who make ridiculous statements, but Sony seems to take the cake (or at least 80% of it).
02-26-07 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
That said, I do understand that both sides have marketing idiots who make ridiculous statements, but Sony seems to take the cake (or at least 80% of it).
This is sorta like a political campaign. You can't win without mudslinging.
02-26-07 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
The PS3 is being sold at a loss already.