I hate using this twice in the same thread, but you leave me no other choice --

I'm kind of swamped right now and don't have time to purge a bunch of posts in this thread. Play nice.

I had no problems spending $28 for Chain Reaction and Broken Arrow (which didn't have extras on the DVD's either). Would I have rather paid $20? Sure, but that's not my call. If Fox thinks people will pay that price for movies with whatever feature set they have on it, that's their prerogative. If they want to double dip, fine, it won't affect me. And apparently people are buying them since they haven't changed anything. I wanted those movies on hi-def and I bought them. I'm satisfied, end of story. If people want to protest by not buying Fox discs go ahead, and if they see a dip in sales, they will adjust their policies accordingly. And for those who continually bring up that people who say they don't care about extras are liars, feel free to examine my 600+ laserdisc list and see how many extras are included in any of those discs that I have enjoyed for many years.

Early adopters are a LOT more likely to pay the absurd prices than Joe-Six-Pack.

Studios to unite (including Warner & Paramount) to push Blu-Ray as format of choice in the UK:

LINK

Bleh...they are just getting together to push BD. WB and Paramount want to sell discs. Thats no surprise.

I dont think this shows any position changes. Im sure they will still continue to push hd-dvd also.

This means absolutely nothing for us US folk. Still, I couldn't care less which format the studios push, as long as I get superb quality. A reasonable pricing scheme would be good, too. But, I guess that's something very few of the non-format neutral people can understand.

nice find, matome. though i doubt the declaration is an indication of any change in WB or Paramount's stance vis-a-vis the format war. the Warner spokesman was very broad in his statements - deliberately so in my opinion.

btw, we're not all US folk.

I can tell you there are a whole buch of Fox/MGM releases I would own right now if I could pick them up for 20 bucks or less like I can most WB, Lions Gate, Sony, and Paramount releases. I really enjoyed movies like Phone Booth, Harts War, Planet of the Apes, Courage Under Fire, and Broken Arrow, but can't justify spending 30 bucks on a disc even if they came with all of their extras. I will probably pick some of these up at the DDD 20% off sale in July.

Mr. Cinema, I agree that the true fanatics (of which I don't consider myself to be one) are blind to the negatives of BD, but the same can be said of the HDDVD fanatics. For someone to say that the only worth while release on BD has been Flight Plan is just plain silly.

It really is quite humorous to see how the same people who were saying for months that LG, and or BV were going neutral are jumping down the throats of people who post that Universal is going neutral now.

The Digital Bits thread is another perfect example of the HD DVD fanatics being blind to the facts. Bill Hunt posts his opinion, based on facts, and he gets blasted as a two bit blogger who is biased towards BD. I have asked people in that thread (twice I think) to debunk his opinion and facts, but no one has taken me up on it yet. It is just much easier to take unwarrented shots at him rather than be respectful of his opinion as an industry insider.

Burnt, as much as I HATE to defend Freak, I don't think he was pointing out your typo in his first post, I didn't get the significance of movies and clubbing either, until your explanation.

As for this post:

Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Clubbing probably won't be as fun when you're old enough not to have to sneak in anymore.

He should be suspended or banned. He and a few others should not even be posting in this thread, not sure why it has been tolerated.

If you have a problem with a post, click the "notify a moderator" button. Don't go calling for suspensions or bannings in the thread.

Yes sir. Whatever you say sir. Please forgive me sir.

Mr. Cinema: go play here. Your comments only instigate fights here, and they are not welcome.

To everyone else: if all your post does is badmouth BD (even if it's "just your opinion"), then those posts are not welcome here. If you see such posts, then please report those posts to a moderator. Naturally, the same goes for the HD DVD thread where such comments against HD DVD are not welcome.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

That is great, but what does any of this have to do with clubbing?!?!?!

More than 319,000 harp seals will be clubbed or shot to death this year in Canada. 96% of them will be less than 3 months old, and some may even be skinned alive. Your clicks support airtime for IFAW's TV campaign to build public pressure against this cruel and inhumane hunt.

MOD NOTE CONTINUED:

ALSO ... please stop the fight over the extras. There are some of you who insist on getting all the SD extras in HD discs, and you let everyone know it everytime a disc comes out w/o all the extras. And there are those who always reply with a "we don't care about extras" comments. We get it now.


namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

I don't think the negativity in that thread was "Most or all of Bill Hunt's points are fundamentally flawed" so much as:

1) Does it really matter if The Digital Bits sides with Blu-ray?
2) Didn't The Digital Bits more or less side with Blu-ray well before this most recent post anyway?

Completely agree, he has been saying from the start that he thinks BD will eventually be the winner. My issue is with the people who are taking shots at him just because they do not like his opinion. As always, it is only a handful of people. It just gets old.

And I do not want to turn this into Digital Bits thread part two, I was just trying to make a point of the "blindness" that both sides of fantatics have towards their prefered format.

Sorry.

I own BD.

I'm allowed to post in this thread and give my two cents just as much as you are.

If you don't like my posts, block me. I've blocked you. It makes life a lot easier. But at least one of us can say that we own both formats. Here's a hint: it's not you.

And that post was a joke...in response to his inane first posting.

It seems to me that it is mostly BD supporters like yourself that can't help themselves from uttering "HD DVD." The majority of us can seperate one from the other. Just because I own an HD DVD player does not somehow disqualify me from reading or commenting in this or any other BD-centric thread.

I agree there. Both concepts, so early on in the format, are ridiculous. I don't see either of these studios joining the other side anytime soon. Maybe after Christmas '07, but not sooner. I think LG and BV would be the likely candidates to switch, IF that ever happened. It seems Fox won't ever release on HD DVD unless BD flat out dies.

I do think Universal and Toshiba have an agreement on exclusive content. Not to mention, Universal hates Sony and probably doesn't really want them in control of the high-def format and collecting royalties.

As apposed to you taking shots at people simply because you don't like their opinions? Hunt is stating the obvious when he talks about the problems facing HD DVD. I'm not ready to give a guy who has been a BD supporter since day one any credit for that.
My biggest issue is he talks like Blu-ray is doing well. It is not. It has 5 times the players and 5 times the titles released every week and it's only outselling HD DVD 2 to 1? Its biggest selling title is only selling .5% of the DVD.

Both of these formats are quickly on their way to obscurity and when Bill prints that on his blog maybe I will give him some credit. SACD technically did better than DVD-A and is still in production, but is Sony really celebrating that victory? Blu-ray seems headed for the same type of victory to me unless it finds a way to get players to the masses and not just gamers.

Who am I taking shots at? Noone. Most of the people are not posting what their opinion of his thoughts are, which is what is supposed to be in that thread, they are posting, their "opinions", on how worthless Bill Hunt and the Digital Bits are. That is not an opinion, just an opposing view point being childish and immature and not backing up their "opinions" with facts. That type of threadcrapping would not be tolerated in any other forum and it looks like Namja is not going to tolerate it here.

Take these three quotes:

"Maybe if the Digital Bits had anywhere near the relevance that they used to, this would mean something. Now, it's just another two-bit blogger with an opinion and an asshole, just like so many before and after him."

"Pfft. Bits has never been relevant. It has always been his opinion and half the time it is strange and silly. He doesn't do enough research to have top-notch opinions. Almost everything I have ever read there is based on marketing material rather than finding out real details. So agreeing with his opinion is the same as agreeing with mine, or yours. Meaningless.

It's just a blog, IMO. And always has been. It's fine for a blog and we can agree or not, but some people like to make him into some sort of industry mogul or insider, breaking big factual news. Hardly."


"Amazing. Have you professed your love directly to Bill? You won't get any by posting on a forum to other people.
I guess if I quoted marketing shilliness, I could be labeled "credible", too. Course, I never claimed to be credible, that's the difference between Bill and me."


What do these two posters add to the conversation? None of their posts backup their "opinion". They don't even attempt it. It is thread crapping plan and simple. I don't care if your opinion is different then mine. If you don't like Bill Hunt, fine. But back it up with legtimate reasons and facts.

There are comments and then there are thread craps, and Namja has already spelled this out a few posts further up. As for daring to utter the name of the other format, are you nuts?! The interdict is on trolling in threads where you have nothing constructive to bring, not on "uttering" the name of another format. The sig of that one poster, and your location title, are simply indicative of where your opinions lie.

Go read the last few pages of the HD DVD thread and see if the Blu Ray supporters are crapping in there. I just skimmed through the last 4 pages and could only find one comment that could be construed as argumentative. It is totally obvious who the posters that are in the wrong are in this forum and they usually are not BD supporters.

When did Freak get a BD player? What titles does he own? I assume only Flight Plan. I'd address this to him, but he doesn't read my posts...