just because Sony says so, it doesn't make it true.

In this case, that was a statement of fact, not an insult of any kind. Blitz6speed's post was perhaps the most disgustingly arrogant, INSULTING post I have yet seen in this "war."

In fact, I think he may have been the "last straw," at least for me. I was fully prepared to buy a Sony BD player next month. Now, thanks to blitz6speed, I will not be buying one.

Yea, why should HD-DVD even try?

I thought Sony promised the supporting studios there would 10 million BD capable units by year's end. They're a tad off the mark.

Yea, they just can't market it under the Blu-ray name or Blu-Ray Disc name or use the logo without Sony's permission. The BDA doesn't even own the trademark or logo. The perception is that Sony=BR and I think that's accurate.

This is news?

Someone should make a list of unfulfilled promises from Sony. I wish one of the major publications would put it up.

Exactly...when most buy a PS3, they will be buying it for gaming. This doesnt even get into the fact that most cant utilize BD or much less want to.

DVD pricing is so good right now, why would someone spend $10 more on a BD version??

As far as im concerned, it just not clear who will win this (if either wins). As for me, I have HD-DVD now and am enjoying it. I will most likely get a standalone BD player when the price comes down. I might get a PS3 when a game that I want is released. For now, my 360 is all I need.

"ALL HAIL KING PS3"

It's not mentioned much, but I still think Microsoft's HD DVD drive is going to help. They'll offer a HD DVD bundle later this year and will likely be priced lower than the PS3s. That's gotta help.

crap, I see awmurray beat me to it.

Kali Ma, KALI MA!!!!!

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SHUCK-TI-DAY!!!

I agree that the PS3 probably won't translate into large Blu-Ray sales, but I think there is a precedent-with UMD. I believe that the higher-than-expected UMD movie sales were partly due to them being better impulse buys than games, especially when the number of quality games was limited. After spending $550-660 on the system and a game, there may be some (nearly broke) people who will get a $20-30 movie to try out the Blu-Ray capability rather than spending $50-60 on another game. If the PS3's launch game lineup is weaker, they may sell more movies.

I think you make some great points...the main issue that I see with the UMD comparison is that people can watch DVDs as an alternative...that doesnt exist on the PSP (at least as easily).

UMD was portable...was it not?

Do we have to have this thread? Or is this just a placeholder to keep the shit out of others?

That depends. Are you planning on posting in the other ones?

Yes.

If this is the rant place, I'll keep it here:

Both groups disgust me, which is why I've ragged on you and Jimmy and others. The closest I am to a fanboy would be following whatever Denon makes, but they've announced NOTHING on this topic. (bastards) So I've got nothing to be a fan about.

But mostly I'll just ignore this thread. Which is its intent. I should've suggested this to Adam months ago.

So I'm confused. Why do you even care if both groups disgust you, Denon isn't making one and isn't planning on it?

And please, for the love of God, don't lump me into the same group with Jimmy.

so what does this mean if a person would be considered in both groups because they want both? would that be double disgusted?

Ah, but you are. You are a fanatic. You think HDDVD is better and will succeed in place of BD. And you post half the time attacking the "other side". If this isn't what you intended, maybe you should sit down and think about your intent before commenting again.

And I care because I DO want HD on a disc. I just don't give a damn which disc it is. Bring back a 12" disc for all I care, as long as the cost is right. I have a 90" screen that is just dying to be upgraded to a 1080p projector and discs to match. The PJs won't be in my price range anytime soon unless these formats take off.

I'll admit that I still think BD is more likely to win. But you won't find me ragging on HDDVD technology. My opinion is based on current studio support and the PC and recordable possibilities. But if the supposed multi-layer BD (up to 8 discussed so far) never really becomes cost-effective, the PC superiority goes away.

Oh, I have ragged on Toshiba and Sony. But that's because their 1st gen offerings suck. And because of both companies' histories. This is not related to HDDVD vs BD.

I think you and I need to start our own fanboy club over Denon.

I never said HD DVD is better. BR people say BR IS better. That remains to be seen. Thus far, it's not.

I'm not ragging on BD. As I said, I was totally FOR BD until Sony completely fucked it up and dropped the ball. If I point out something that is incorrect about BD, then so be it. I don't have a problem with ANYONE who has a logical argument as far as why it might be a better format. Support, IMHO, doesn't count because that can ALWAYS change. I'm talking about the format itself without exterior issues.

I haven't attacked anyone on this board for their interest in BD and if I have, I'd love some proof. I will attack back when all I get is this "my dick is bigger" attitude from everyone who is a fan of BD. Perhaps I shouldn't and that's probably why this thread is here in the first place.

Regardless of what YOU are trying to do, I'd say a majority of your posts come across as heavily leaning towards BD.

Once the players come out for BD, this thing will really begin to heat up and we'll see if BD people have something to show for their smug-ness. Regardless, you don't see people posting that HD DVD is going to "kill" BD or anything to that effect. We're just sitting back and enjoying our machines as they are now: working fantastically and affordable.

in your opinion how did Sony fuck it up and drop the ball... ? How do you see that BR is not better than HD-DVD? I'd love to know, cause I might swing the other way (... ) if you could convince me otherwise.