Ladies and gentlemen...

Boys and girls...

let me direct your attention to another example of the smug BD attitude.

Funny that you don't get any of that from the HD DVD supporters in this thread. I'd say it proves it's point quite clearly.

The question isn't so much "is Blu-ray technically superior?", but do those advantages have enough bearing to be significant, and is it ready for prime time? We'll have to wait and see.

Has this questioned every really been answered? Why do BD players cost 2-3 times more than HD DVD players? What justifies paying anywhere from $500 to $1300 more for a BD player?

First, I was accused, probably even by you in your BD days, of being an HDDVD fanboy when I was contradicting some of the spew from BD nuts. Now, I'm accused of being a BD fanboy. Perhaps I'm just talking about current topics, and with HDDVD shipping, it is more often the topic. Ripping on the A1 is easy, it has many faults. If the specs hold, ripping on Sony's first BDp will be even easier, it appears to have many more faults. Will I then be an HDDVD fanboy again?

Does pointing out that these specific machines are not worth my money mean I am a fanboy of a technology? I don't see how. People have spent 8 years ripping on this or that DVDp, that doesn't mean they were going back to VHS.

You need to lengthen your attention span a little. I seldom change, it's hard to keep up with you.

So essentially you're here to pick on both technologies?
Fantastic.
At which point does it become thread-crapping?

I don't think the cost is that much of an issue given that I think the format war will drag on until at least the end of next year at least. Both sides could have affordable players out by then (and hopefully better ones too).

BD costs more because it required more R&D and new machinery, that is well known. ("cost" is manufacturing cost, you are talking about "price") But I don't see how the additional cost can make the players be priced so much higher. Esp if the PS3 can ship out for $600. So there isn't much justification, IMO.

I think perhaps the BD group was following standard technology procedure with the $1000 price point. DVD came out like that, VHS came out like that, etc. I think Tosh surprised them with $500 machines.

Pioneer's at $1800 is a different story. That is in line with what I would expect, if the machine has elitist audio circuitry. It may not be logical or popular, but each upgrade in the audio world is priced way above the previous step. Although it doesn't sound like Pioneer is putting much into the audio, at least not for the new codecs.

The Toshiba player is affordable....compared to the BD players.

And every other home video format that's come before it.

That was one intention....



No. Ability to do 1080p "out of the box" doesn't hold any weight since my (and most) monitors can only accept 1080i anyway. Even if it did, I wouldn't spend 100-260% more for that feature...

I think both are too expensive. It's not good enough to release a player that isn't capable of supporting at least a fair few of the new audio formats and it isn't good enough to release a player that can only output 1080i out of the box.

Hopefully both sides will get their acts together and release more affordable and better quality players next year. Either way I'm forced to wait since I'm not hearing any dates as to when either format will be released here in the UK .

Apparently in this thread.....never.

But as I've stated, I'm not picking on either technology, just poor implementation and high pricing. I will always point out poor product, I'm an elitist pig. Maybe you missed all my ragging on the immensely popular region-free Philips DVD players. POS.

I believe I've already mentioned that I could be persuaded to purchase the Tosh from Costco. Due to their return policy. That would also depend on movie availability, there aren't too many I'm interested in so far. It's just too early for me personally. But if there was a killer machine out there (did I just say Denon?), I would be persuaded more easily. There is not.

Alrighty then. Fair enough. I will never confuse you

Maybe we need a listing of everyone's screen names and which you support plus neither/both just so everyone is clear

The $500 price was THE reason that I went ahead and got one (actually I got mine for $440, but anyways). Had it been more, I would have waited.

I want a BD player also, but $1000 is too much.

What the hell for? I still use my 727 today.

I was not smug, I was asking for your opinion.... obviousily you're in the HD-DVD camp, and I wanted to know why - instead I get some condescending comment.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start that again. I gave up that crusade since few here care about what I care about, and it doesn't belong in this thread anyway.

Congrats to you, enjoy yours. I gave mine away. Couldn't bring myself to charge someone for it.

You've been here long enough to know the answers to your questions, as others have pointed out.

My comment wasn't condescending. Sarcastic, maybe. But not condescending.

Speaking of smugness, I'm actually seeing it from both sides. I think the HD DVD camp has a little swagger in it now. Maybe due to the numbers, maybe because they got their player. It sure doesn't hurt that the Tosh players are just great. Maybe the best 1st gen. value of all time.

Seriously, at least jimmy didnt jump ship with guns blazing backstabbing everything he beleived in. Hes a man of his word.

careful with you spelling there, Digi, will make note of this and use it against you.

Seriously. I don't know what I did but get off my back. I don't need you picking on me in every thread.

2nd thought: blocking you works better. I'll take Adam's suggestion.

oh I guess I didn't see a smiley, cause when you don't include one, it does come out as condescending.

I wasn't picking on you. I was asking you question, which in turn, with your reply was a snide remark.. and for the record I have no idea why you choose the HD-DVD format.

You realize we're talking about a pre-recorded home video format, not defining moral characteristics or religious beliefs, right?

IMO, I have a 5-6+ month headstart to really try this HD-DVD format by the time BR "may" become cheaper for the massess (aka PS3).

Let's face it... people will use the PS3 as a BR player just for the simple fact that it has a BR Drive and they can brag how they bought a "cheap" BR player w/o spending 1k. Hell... I did the same damn thing w/ PS2.


So regardless if Blueray wins this format war....I've still got one hell of an upconversion dvd player and some kickass HD-DVDs.


Either way... it's not a complete loss for me.