If you go up to someone and tell them they're arrogant you're insulting them, regardless of whether you believe it to be true. It's your opinion that his post was arrogant. Remember when you cautioned me (quite rightly) for labeling another member? Since it's my opinion (and apparently others) that he's living up to that label in this thread, is it now au fait to start calling him it? By your own reasoning it should be.

The problem with labelling people arrogant or smug is that it's often in the eye of the beholder. Is it true that only a certain type of person choses to buy technology from Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, Philips, et al? Or is it just possible that a little group of long time posters on this board have decided to label anyone who doesn't bash Sony as being arrogant? I know which seems more likely to me.

The way people make their choices on things they felt so strongly about, shows what kind of character they have. So yes, i realise we're discussing a format for films on disc, but im demonstraiting why a persons opinion wont hold any water in my eyes due to the type of person they are and how they respond to changes that come up. Maybe thats just me, but i only choose to respect those worth respecting. Dig it?

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Forget it. Not worth it. Just another block.

If you're saying that I deserve no respect as a human being because I switched my HD format of choice, then your priorities in life are EXTREMELY out of whack.

hence this thread... which brillantly illustrates who is on which side of the HiDef camps.

It is often in the eye of the beholder, but this is not one of those times. No one called blitz6speed arrogant for failing to bash Sony. He is being called arrogant for referring to people who have purchased HD DVD players as lower class "impulse buy" people, willing to "settle for lower quality," such as his poor analogy of a Honda versus a Lexus.

There is no subjective opinion required to recognize that his post was arrogant, and deliberately so.

How so? This thread is only more of the same from the BD Boys.

goddamn digi, what is your prob... you're being really combative today

all this thread has been and was created to see how fanatic each side is - it's becoming quite apparent that so far is just mudslinging from both sides.

Got it. So all those people who firmly believed that the world was flat should have stuck by their convictions, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Again, I say how so? I think you are assuming that many are on the HD DVD "side," when they are really only opposed to the fanaticism rampant in the BD camp.

Well, to Blitz then, I have a Honda S2000 and love it....I wouldnt want a Lexus.

I have the Toshiba HD-DVD player and will probably buy a BD player (when the price comes down or something like Star Wars is released).

Im not a fanboy of either format, but I clearly see evidence of BD fanboys on this forum and avsforum. They are more evident than the hd-dvd ones.

I like the S2000's, they are just a tad on the slow side for me (my previous supra made 743RWHP) and my lexus is getting turbo'd in the next few months for 450+RWHP on 91 octain. S2000's look awesome tho, no doubt.

Honda S2000 = 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and has the highest redline on the consumer market (9000).

Haha....my point is that their are exceptions.

This is why BR is in trouble, IMO.

Is the regular guy going to have this kind of zeal for an optical format!?!!??

Is he supposed to feel like he betrayed a cause by choosing another product? Isn't that kind of insane?

The vast majority want their movies in 1080p and that's it. There is no fanatical tie to one format or the other... just like there is no fanatical tie to DVD over one of the new HD formats. I've stopped buying DVDs... should I feel like an adulterer now? Like my word/opinion is worthless because I've abandoned "everything believed in"? No.

The big supporters of BR chose BR/Sony a long time ago for whatever reason. BR won't be able to get this kind of following from the general public.

HD-DVD has proven it can deliver the goods. I assume BR will, too. Given no fanatical tie to one side or the other, what's left differentiate between the two?

And, I'll answer for Digi, HD-DVD delivered the goods for half the price and long before BR did. He heard how good BR was supposed to be and how superior it is supposed to be, but in the end HD-DVD delivered. Since then, BR has been nothing but promises and worrisome reports: initial titles appear to be on SL disc with less capacity than HD-DVD, MPEG 2 encoding (don't want to give MS any royalties for VC1), possible clipped blacks/whites at the disc level...and all for an insanely high price vs. the competition. Besides, if HD-DVD tanks, he'll pick up a BR player when the price is right. And $500 isn't that bad to make a gamble like this with... $1000 is. That's why he chose HD-DVD.

Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

In a nutshell, yes. Thank you.

And about this whole car analogy...

I see it more like a Lexus vs. a Lexus with Gold Trim on it. That's about the difference between HD-DVD and BR.

Yeah, my main concern is that the software is 1080p. Its easier to upgrade your player versus your dvd library.

So, when my display and hd-dvd (or bd) player can support 1080p, my discs will be ready.

Basically, for now, im happy with 1080i supported player.

well that was extremely helpful, thanks

When they say it will be priced lower then Playstation 3 they mean the Core Xbox 360 plus HD-DVD. Premium will probably be the same even more possibly. I do believe that the drive will help HD-DVD but an optional extra drive can't compare to having Blu-Ray natively installed in every Playstation 3 console. Blu-Ray sales will vastly outnumber HD-DVDs after the Playstation 3 comes out.

Never has any video format had something like the Playstation 3 before. A trojen horse to sneak the format in the homes of so many. Those who believe that it won't have a signifigant effect are so so diluting themselves. Polls show the vast majority of Playstation 3 buyers will have HDTVs. With the Playstation 3s price I don't think people will buy it without knowing about Blu-Ray first. Playstation 3s slightly better graphics don't justify a $200 price increase but for a Blu-Ray player the price is a steal. Most stores are afraid to pre-order the product because they know demand will be very high. For the first several months Playstation 3s will be tough to get your hands on. For those who complain about Blu-Rays price just wait and get your hands on the Playstation 3.

Did he call anyone lower class? Don't remember reading that. But I don't feel superior to people I see wearing clothes from Oxfam. Do you? That doesn't change the fact they have less high quality clothing on the whole than myself. Does it make me arrogant for deciding to buy more expensive togs, or to recognise that they are good quality? I don't think so. It's just the fulfilment of that old saying - "you get what you pay for". No arrogance needed. And like I said, the view that the post was arrogant is in the eye of the beholder.

All of which is pretty far from the real issue: A mod should be setting the standard, shouldn't they? Not mucking in the mud with the rest of us oiks. A helpful/warning PM would have seemed the best answer if Adam felt he detected too much arrogance in the post. Throwing fuel on the fire is certainly a unique form of moderation.

Marketing?

Well, really, what can compare to the PS3?

Undoubtable.

Nope. Nothing else can produce HD images like the Sony PS3 can.

Is that anything like a Trojan Horse? To complete the analogy, what happens next?

Do BR fanatics and Sony execs come out of it at night and slaughter everyone in the house who owns an HD DVD, thus winning the format war?

Oh, shit. I don't want to be so so diluted...

Makes sense. Why pre-order something that is going to have such high demand? If you do that you might sell too many.

But the PS3 will be more expensive than a Tosh HD-A1... and why would I want to camp outside of a store for a week to have basically no chance to get one?

What's the slogan going to be?

Same PQ but only twice the price?

Beyond High Definition appears to be what they're going with. More important though is who the "they" are, and how much they are willing to spend. As to price, that would be strike me as more of an issue if Toshiba could demonstrate they could manufacture more that 2000 of these cheaper devices each month. Though Japan and Europe don't have that sort of price hurdle between the formats.

Someone who thinks "Blu-ray has more to offer me than HD DVD, I don't mind paying a premium for it, and I really don't have any interest in buying two players" is a perfectly understandable stance to take. I cannot say the same about dismissing everyone who bought an HD DVD player as an impulse buyer (the implication being that no one who put any thought into it would buy one) and a Ramen noodle-swilling cheap bastard.

The former seems like a rational, well-thought-out stance. The latter is the sort of thing that I'd imagine prompted this thread in the first place.

I know you see the "arrogant" remark as being a personal insult, but I don't, and therefore I don't think I crossed any line. I respectfully disagree with you, and since I really don't think either of us has any chance of changing the other's opinion, let's please just drop it. If you really feel that I crossed a line, please post to the Feedback Forum or contact another moderator.