Star Wars DVD change?
#226
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My response was because I feel James Earl Jones has gotten too old that he just doesn't sound EXACTLY the same has he did in the 80's.
#227
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Originally posted by Terrell
As for Hayden, he will appear 6'7" in the film. They're using force perspect as well as boots and a helmet that add another 2-3 inches of height.
As for Hayden, he will appear 6'7" in the film. They're using force perspect as well as boots and a helmet that add another 2-3 inches of height.
#228
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Originally posted by Terrell
...that add another 2-3 inches...
...that add another 2-3 inches...
#229
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but will it still look like he has midget arms?
Padme will be so happy
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#230
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The "Alert my Star Destroyer..." line was actually a recorded (but unused) bit of dialogue from Star Wars. This was mentioned on the Star Wars site some time ago when Ben Burtt (I think) was asked that question.
I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case. I always liked the scene in Star Wars where the stormtroopers were just b.s.'ing around like a bunch of regular guys. I mean, do they all have to be clones? What's to say that guys just didn't sign up and join the Empire? Or that cloning technology improved to make the stormtroopers a bit more diverse?
I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case. I always liked the scene in Star Wars where the stormtroopers were just b.s.'ing around like a bunch of regular guys. I mean, do they all have to be clones? What's to say that guys just didn't sign up and join the Empire? Or that cloning technology improved to make the stormtroopers a bit more diverse?
#231
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I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case.
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I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.
Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
#233
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I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.
#234
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Originally posted by Terrell
In fact, in the one clip I've heard, it didn't sound much different from the original voice.
In fact, in the one clip I've heard, it didn't sound much different from the original voice.
Not exactly what I was hoping, but still counting the days till the DVD's hit!
I'm also curious about some of the 'mistakes' in ANH also. Ropes pulling droids, crewman's leg sticking out, eyes thru sockets, etc.. I wonder if those will be fixed? You would think so, but.. I'm not counting on it.
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And if he was that picky about Boba, why not do the stormtroopers also?
That's the thing, it sounded close enough to begin with - so why change it?
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Originally posted by Rivero
but will it still look like he has midget arms?
but will it still look like he has midget arms?
#238
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Originally posted by ds6161
I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.
Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.
Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
TM has a very unique voice and i actually thought this was one alteration i could get behind, but listening to it- his line reading is so limp and his inflection poorly concieved.
i've only heard the line "he's no good to me dead" but it has effectively lost all the icy cold meance it used to have.
very sad.
also, about the Emperor new dialouge and the Vader line "h How is that possible".
i think people, and this is not just directed at you Terell, are reading way more into it than is there-
i believe the only reason George now has Vader say "how is that possible" is so that he can bridge a couple new lines from the Emperor-
and that's it.
to me, i wouldn't be surprised if Georges reasoning went something like
"ok i can redo Ian in ESB...this'll be great! but i probably should beef up the part with another line or two at least- it would be a waste to go to all this trouble just let him redo the same old 4 short lines...let's see...how can i slightly increase his dialouge here without this scene spilling over , time-wise?"
the new lines add absolutely nothing except more talking, which to Lucas's tin ear, is always more impressive.
also- the old Emperor dialouge was not concerned so much with WHO but with WHAT.
the dialouge was intended to show that Luke was now a grave threat because he was studying to be a Jedi- and the whole point of the conversation that that must not happen- which leads directly into Vaders iconcic saga line "the force is with you young Skywalker...but you are not a jedi YET"
this new scene has totally altered the tone of this conflict here, and this change is NOT stronger.
in fact, this is fairly ass, which is par for the course i suppose by now.
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#239
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this new scene has totally altered the tone of this conflict here, and this change is NOT stronger.

Maybe because he enjoyed the way it was?
Purists can't stand the changes. But that's no surprise. They want the originals, and only the originals. So why keep checking the threads if you're going to hate what you find. I'm not giving anyone any orders. Just trying to make some sense of this issue.
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They want the originals, and only the originals.
I am interested in seeing them to see how he can connect the dots. But I would also like to see the originals on DVD format.
#241
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Originally posted by Terrell
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
I've enjoyed about 90% of the changes so far, it's just those few that nag at me, plus the remaining little mistakes I mentioned above that stand out.
It's like they're taking two steps forward and one step back...
#242
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Terrell,
putting aside the Emperor conversation for a minute-
i already said i was 'up' to hear TM voice as Boba.
it goes without saying that i would greatly prefer to have the original theatrical presentations of these- but i was still planning on picking up this set- if only to flip thru the few scenes that haven't been 'improved' yet.
i like TM's voice.
i don't like the line reading here at all, nor has the voice been given the same distinct mechanical 'color' it had before.
have you heard it yet?
a new viewer could take it for what it is, but to anyone familiar with the way it used to be- it comes up short...by a good margin.
its nice that he could have thrown the fans of the prequels an easter egg here- but the execution is quite lacking.
i've gone to pains in this thread to try to show i'm not a zealot about this alterations- even now, i still try to judge them on their individual merits and if they add or detract from what was already in place and already overwhelmingly of high quality.
putting aside the Emperor conversation for a minute-
i already said i was 'up' to hear TM voice as Boba.
it goes without saying that i would greatly prefer to have the original theatrical presentations of these- but i was still planning on picking up this set- if only to flip thru the few scenes that haven't been 'improved' yet.
i like TM's voice.
i don't like the line reading here at all, nor has the voice been given the same distinct mechanical 'color' it had before.
have you heard it yet?
a new viewer could take it for what it is, but to anyone familiar with the way it used to be- it comes up short...by a good margin.
its nice that he could have thrown the fans of the prequels an easter egg here- but the execution is quite lacking.
i've gone to pains in this thread to try to show i'm not a zealot about this alterations- even now, i still try to judge them on their individual merits and if they add or detract from what was already in place and already overwhelmingly of high quality.
#243
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it goes without saying that i would greatly prefer to have the original theatrical presentations of these
i've gone to pains in this thread to try to show i'm not a zealot about this alterations
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[the new lines add absolutely nothing except more talking, which to Lucas's tin ear, is always more impressive.
From a storytelling point of view, now that we know the complete six-chapter arc, I suppose it makes sense that George added those lines. Since the entire saga is basically Vader's story, it's a bit of a cheat to have him learn about the existence of his son, and the identity of the pilot who blew up the Death Star, somewhere in between chapters 4 and 5. The central character's (Vader's) discovery is too vital and defining a moment to be left offscreen... from a storytelling point of view.
Of course, the opening crawl's "Obssessed with finding young Skywalker" will have to be deleted, as well as "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
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Originally posted by JONA99
Of course, the opening crawl's "Obssessed with finding young Skywalker" will have to be deleted, as well as "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
Of course, the opening crawl's "Obssessed with finding young Skywalker" will have to be deleted, as well as "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
#248
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Originally posted by Terrell
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
Had I known that having the above would cause the originals to never be released again, I would have easily hoped that the SEs & the prequels to never be made.
I will rent these new versions as a curiosity, but I will never buy them. I know that Joe Six-Pack doesn't care about the changes nor do Lucas fanboys but I just wish more people would choose to not purchase these "The Original Trilogy Did Not Exist" versions.
#249
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Originally posted by Terrell
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
All Lucas has to do at this point is another round of changes (version 4.0?) to fully tie everything together, and then release a big DVD set of all 6 in 2007 or something. And, honestly, if he also includes the original versions in that set as a bonus... everyone will be happy. I still have hope.
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Its obvious that Lucas is ashamed of the original trilogy. Fans who went to see Star Wars in theaters back in '77 can't even recognize these damn films anymore. And why bother making changes? Since Lucas hates the original trilogy so much, he should just remake the entire goddamn thing. Bring in a whole new cast and film the entire thing in yet another giant blue screen dome.



