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Old 07-27-04 | 04:09 PM
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My response was because I feel James Earl Jones has gotten too old that he just doesn't sound EXACTLY the same has he did in the 80's.
Skywalker Sound has state of the art audio mixing equipment and soundstages. James Earl Jones can do the voice, and they can alter it slightly to make it sound like he did in 1977. So I don't foresee a problem. I don't know if the new line of dialogue on the upcoming DVDs, is a new recording or not.
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Old 07-27-04 | 05:02 PM
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As for Hayden, he will appear 6'7" in the film. They're using force perspect as well as boots and a helmet that add another 2-3 inches of height.
but will it still look like he has midget arms?
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Old 07-27-04 | 05:13 PM
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...that add another 2-3 inches...
Padme will be so happy
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Old 07-27-04 | 05:20 PM
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but will it still look like he has midget arms?
No he won't. The pictures I've seen of him he doesn't look like he has midget arms. There was a stuntman that did much of the lightsaber work in the originals, and he wasn't nearly as big and bulky as Prowse either. But they made it work. Just wait for the film, if you even plan on seeing it, which I doubt. I don't think you're gonna like it anyway. So that will be the least of your worries. In fact, you might as well take a pass.

Padme will be so happy

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Old 07-27-04 | 05:25 PM
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The "Alert my Star Destroyer..." line was actually a recorded (but unused) bit of dialogue from Star Wars. This was mentioned on the Star Wars site some time ago when Ben Burtt (I think) was asked that question.

I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case. I always liked the scene in Star Wars where the stormtroopers were just b.s.'ing around like a bunch of regular guys. I mean, do they all have to be clones? What's to say that guys just didn't sign up and join the Empire? Or that cloning technology improved to make the stormtroopers a bit more diverse?
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Old 07-27-04 | 05:48 PM
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I'm not that enthusasitic about the stormtroopers' voices being changed, tho, if that is to be the case.
They haven't. Only Boba's voice has been re-recorded by Temura Morrison. In fact, in the one clip I've heard, it didn't sound much different from the original voice. According to the guy that posted all these new screenshots from A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, the storm troopers voices are the same. The Wampa attack hasn't been added to ESB as was rumored. The taun-tauns look like they haven't been replaced, but he says they do look like the animation has been tweaked to make it smoother and more realistic. The detention block corridor on the Death Star has been redone. Also, Luke's scream has been taken out according to him. He is legit, and he has all of the DVD-Rs. He even posted caps of the Episode III doc, as you can see a few pages back.

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Old 07-27-04 | 06:12 PM
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I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.

Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
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Old 07-27-04 | 06:50 PM
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I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.
I'm not saying you have to like the change, but it makes complete sense that Boba Fett would sound like his father, considering he's a clone.
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Old 07-27-04 | 08:17 PM
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In fact, in the one clip I've heard, it didn't sound much different from the original voice.
That's the thing, it sounded close enough to begin with - so why change it? And if he was that picky about Boba, why not do the stormtroopers also? All well...

Not exactly what I was hoping, but still counting the days till the DVD's hit!

I'm also curious about some of the 'mistakes' in ANH also. Ropes pulling droids, crewman's leg sticking out, eyes thru sockets, etc.. I wonder if those will be fixed? You would think so, but.. I'm not counting on it.
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Old 07-27-04 | 08:56 PM
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And if he was that picky about Boba, why not do the stormtroopers also?
Because ANH takes place 2 decades after Episode III and 23 years after Episode II. By the time ANH rolls around, most of the storm troopers are no longer clones of Jango. Conscripts if you will.

That's the thing, it sounded close enough to begin with - so why change it?
The reverse is true as well. If it's not that much different, why get so upset over it.
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Old 07-27-04 | 09:12 PM
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If it's not that much different, why get so upset over it.
Maybe because he enjoyed the way it was?
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Old 07-27-04 | 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rivero
but will it still look like he has midget arms?
The Onion has reported that arm extensions will be used on Hayden to extend his rather short arm length. On the record Hayden asked if it would be possible to extend other parts of his body. No word yet. But the force is strong with this one.
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Old 07-27-04 | 10:07 PM
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I've been ok with most of the chages so far..but changing a characters voice & changing Boba Fett's!.!.

Time to put a hit out on George where are the South Pack guys when we need them...............
i just heard one of the new TM/Boba clips and i don't dig it..at all.

TM has a very unique voice and i actually thought this was one alteration i could get behind, but listening to it- his line reading is so limp and his inflection poorly concieved.

i've only heard the line "he's no good to me dead" but it has effectively lost all the icy cold meance it used to have.

very sad.


also, about the Emperor new dialouge and the Vader line "h How is that possible".
i think people, and this is not just directed at you Terell, are reading way more into it than is there-
i believe the only reason George now has Vader say "how is that possible" is so that he can bridge a couple new lines from the Emperor-
and that's it.
to me, i wouldn't be surprised if Georges reasoning went something like
"ok i can redo Ian in ESB...this'll be great! but i probably should beef up the part with another line or two at least- it would be a waste to go to all this trouble just let him redo the same old 4 short lines...let's see...how can i slightly increase his dialouge here without this scene spilling over , time-wise?"
the new lines add absolutely nothing except more talking, which to Lucas's tin ear, is always more impressive.



also- the old Emperor dialouge was not concerned so much with WHO but with WHAT.
the dialouge was intended to show that Luke was now a grave threat because he was studying to be a Jedi- and the whole point of the conversation that that must not happen- which leads directly into Vaders iconcic saga line "the force is with you young Skywalker...but you are not a jedi YET"

this new scene has totally altered the tone of this conflict here, and this change is NOT stronger.

in fact, this is fairly ass, which is par for the course i suppose by now.

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Old 07-27-04 | 10:39 PM
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this new scene has totally altered the tone of this conflict here, and this change is NOT stronger.
Well, if you were talking about the Hayden change, I'd agree with you. But I don't agree with you on this change. Then again, I'll have to actually see it in the DVD with the video. But let's be honest ckolchak, you're going to think any change is ass, because it's not the original.

Maybe because he enjoyed the way it was?
Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies. Other than the Hayden change, I think he's doing a good job. I am a bit concerned about the lightsaber colors and the Hayden change. I know some of you despise the prequels and don't want there to be any links between it and the originals. But that's indeed the case. So deal with it or let it go. Harping on it is not going to change a thing. Lucas is not listening. He's not going to listen. Nearly 60,000 signatures didn't change him. He will do what he wants. We can only hope he gives us both versions so both sides will be happy.

Purists can't stand the changes. But that's no surprise. They want the originals, and only the originals. So why keep checking the threads if you're going to hate what you find. I'm not giving anyone any orders. Just trying to make some sense of this issue.

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Old 07-27-04 | 10:52 PM
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They want the originals, and only the originals.
I'm sorry thats just wrong.
I am interested in seeing them to see how he can connect the dots. But I would also like to see the originals on DVD format.
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Old 07-27-04 | 11:15 PM
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Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
Oh I understand, really it's not a very hard concept...

I've enjoyed about 90% of the changes so far, it's just those few that nag at me, plus the remaining little mistakes I mentioned above that stand out.

It's like they're taking two steps forward and one step back...
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Old 07-27-04 | 11:18 PM
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Terrell,
putting aside the Emperor conversation for a minute-

i already said i was 'up' to hear TM voice as Boba.
it goes without saying that i would greatly prefer to have the original theatrical presentations of these- but i was still planning on picking up this set- if only to flip thru the few scenes that haven't been 'improved' yet.

i like TM's voice.
i don't like the line reading here at all, nor has the voice been given the same distinct mechanical 'color' it had before.

have you heard it yet?
a new viewer could take it for what it is, but to anyone familiar with the way it used to be- it comes up short...by a good margin.
its nice that he could have thrown the fans of the prequels an easter egg here- but the execution is quite lacking.

i've gone to pains in this thread to try to show i'm not a zealot about this alterations- even now, i still try to judge them on their individual merits and if they add or detract from what was already in place and already overwhelmingly of high quality.
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Old 07-28-04 | 12:08 AM
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it goes without saying that i would greatly prefer to have the original theatrical presentations of these
As would I!

i've gone to pains in this thread to try to show i'm not a zealot about this alterations
Nor have I implied it. My comment about you not liking changes is probably accurate, considering you really only want the original theatrical cuts, correct? That statement wasn't meant to be an insult or to imply you were a zealot. Maybe my wording was a bit harsh. Apologies!
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Old 07-28-04 | 12:10 AM
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Okay guys, the pictures are going bye-bye. Hope you got them all.
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Old 07-28-04 | 03:48 AM
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[the new lines add absolutely nothing except more talking, which to Lucas's tin ear, is always more impressive.
I hate the new Emperor/Vader lines. I wish George would've just left 'em alone. But they add much more than just "talking."

From a storytelling point of view, now that we know the complete six-chapter arc, I suppose it makes sense that George added those lines. Since the entire saga is basically Vader's story, it's a bit of a cheat to have him learn about the existence of his son, and the identity of the pilot who blew up the Death Star, somewhere in between chapters 4 and 5. The central character's (Vader's) discovery is too vital and defining a moment to be left offscreen... from a storytelling point of view.

Of course, the opening crawl's "Obssessed with finding young Skywalker" will have to be deleted, as well as "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
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Old 07-28-04 | 06:53 AM
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Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
This one being billed as the Star Wars trilogy, wonder what he'll call the other one.
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Old 07-28-04 | 07:56 AM
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Of course, the opening crawl's "Obssessed with finding young Skywalker" will have to be deleted, as well as "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them."
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Old 07-28-04 | 08:36 AM
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Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
It's so funny. I waited for so many years for the prequels & my excitement was huge. I was even excited about the Special Editions & thought it was cool to see a new/different version with different scenes and enhanced special effects.

Had I known that having the above would cause the originals to never be released again, I would have easily hoped that the SEs & the prequels to never be made.

I will rent these new versions as a curiosity, but I will never buy them. I know that Joe Six-Pack doesn't care about the changes nor do Lucas fanboys but I just wish more people would choose to not purchase these "The Original Trilogy Did Not Exist" versions.
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Some of you guys need to understand this. Lucas is trying to bridge two trilogies.
I think most people do understand this, but wish that Lucas had made the prequels match the original trilogy... instead of refilming stuff to do it the other way around.

All Lucas has to do at this point is another round of changes (version 4.0?) to fully tie everything together, and then release a big DVD set of all 6 in 2007 or something. And, honestly, if he also includes the original versions in that set as a bonus... everyone will be happy. I still have hope.
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Old 07-28-04 | 09:18 AM
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Its obvious that Lucas is ashamed of the original trilogy. Fans who went to see Star Wars in theaters back in '77 can't even recognize these damn films anymore. And why bother making changes? Since Lucas hates the original trilogy so much, he should just remake the entire goddamn thing. Bring in a whole new cast and film the entire thing in yet another giant blue screen dome.
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