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02-29-04 | 09:13 PM
#103
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Originally posted by murpm3
And people like you who like to bitch about other people bitching.
And people like you who like to bitch about other people bitching.
Hopefully this problem will be fixed tomorrow and life can go on around here.
03-01-04 | 12:00 AM
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ROFL Brak. Reading some of the posts and not recognizing most of the names, RC and Draven being notable exceptions. I can't help but wonder if some of you are the ones making the ERRONEOUS contributions, changing MSRP's, thinking Disney/Buena Vista is a legitimate studio, etc, etc ad infinitum.
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03-01-04 | 01:19 AM
#108
Originally posted by skipnet
ROFL Brak. Reading some of the posts and not recognizing most of the names, RC and Draven being notable exceptions. I can't help but wonder if some of you are the ones making the ERRONEOUS contributions, changing MSRP's, thinking Disney/Buena Vista is a legitimate studio, etc, etc ad infinitum.
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ROFL Brak. Reading some of the posts and not recognizing most of the names, RC and Draven being notable exceptions. I can't help but wonder if some of you are the ones making the ERRONEOUS contributions, changing MSRP's, thinking Disney/Buena Vista is a legitimate studio, etc, etc ad infinitum.
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03-01-04 | 01:42 AM
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Bill:
Read the Guidelines, what you put in your own database is up to you. But the Guidelines state that the Original MSRP is the price as far as the online Database is concerned, FOLLOW THE RULES.
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Read the Guidelines, what you put in your own database is up to you. But the Guidelines state that the Original MSRP is the price as far as the online Database is concerned, FOLLOW THE RULES.
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03-01-04 | 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by skipnet
Bill:
Read the Guidelines, what you put in your own database is up to you. But the Guidelines state that the Original MSRP is the price as far as the online Database is concerned, FOLLOW THE RULES.
Skip
Bill:
Read the Guidelines, what you put in your own database is up to you. But the Guidelines state that the Original MSRP is the price as far as the online Database is concerned, FOLLOW THE RULES.
Skip
http://www.dvdprofiler.com/appdata/d...ions/guide.asp
SRP
The SRP should be the original SRP when the DVD is first released, and must not reduce over time, although the DVD may.
03-01-04 | 01:52 AM
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BTW let me follow this a little. MSRP's are not to be changed PERIOD per IVS' Guidelines. As stated what you put in your own database is your business, just don't submit it.
Despite what DVDEmpire says there is NO studio called Disney/Buena Vista, mit is Walt Disney Pictures and Buena Vista Home Entertainment. Gangs of New York is NOT a Walt Disney Picture it is Touchstone Pictures and Miramax.
Reviewer's quotes are NOT to be included as part of the Overview, unless it is part of the paragraphs that are on the back cover, reviewer comments at the top or bottom of the cover are not part of that summary, also taglines are NOT to be included in the Overview.
As I had earlier stated if some of you folks would participate in the DVDProfiler forums you would learn all of these things, please for the sanity of all users follow the rules when you contribute or leave the contributing to those with knowledge of the conventions that IVS has chosen to adopt.
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Despite what DVDEmpire says there is NO studio called Disney/Buena Vista, mit is Walt Disney Pictures and Buena Vista Home Entertainment. Gangs of New York is NOT a Walt Disney Picture it is Touchstone Pictures and Miramax.
Reviewer's quotes are NOT to be included as part of the Overview, unless it is part of the paragraphs that are on the back cover, reviewer comments at the top or bottom of the cover are not part of that summary, also taglines are NOT to be included in the Overview.
As I had earlier stated if some of you folks would participate in the DVDProfiler forums you would learn all of these things, please for the sanity of all users follow the rules when you contribute or leave the contributing to those with knowledge of the conventions that IVS has chosen to adopt.
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03-01-04 | 01:56 AM
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One more time to reinforce Pac-rat, Bill
That quote directly from IVS Guidelines, what about "and must not reduce over time, although the DVD may." don't you understand.
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That quote directly from IVS Guidelines, what about "and must not reduce over time, although the DVD may." don't you understand.
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03-01-04 | 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by skipnet
One more time to reinforce Pac-rat, Bill
That quote directly from IVS Guidelines, what about "and must not reduce over time, although the DVD may." don't you understand.
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One more time to reinforce Pac-rat, Bill
That quote directly from IVS Guidelines, what about "and must not reduce over time, although the DVD may." don't you understand.
Skip
03-01-04 | 02:11 AM
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From: You have moved into a dark place. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Skipnet is having his own conversation.
This thread is about DVD Profiler being down, not about your pet peeves about people's changes to the DB.
I don't read the DVD Profiler forums unless I have a technical problem or a feature request. I have no desire to.
Of course, I rarely submit new titles, either, because I have not ONCE gotten credit for them, and because when the title is finally listed it's usually not what I submitted and rife with errors and omissions.
This thread is about DVD Profiler being down, not about your pet peeves about people's changes to the DB.
I don't read the DVD Profiler forums unless I have a technical problem or a feature request. I have no desire to.
Of course, I rarely submit new titles, either, because I have not ONCE gotten credit for them, and because when the title is finally listed it's usually not what I submitted and rife with errors and omissions.
03-01-04 | 02:21 AM
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Studios are easily the least accurate part of Profiler. Not only do people use things like Universal instead of Universal Pictures, but they'll change the accurate ones, and go back to these vague versions.
Recent example: American Splendor...right now, in my Profiler wish list, it says the Studio is Warner Bros. It of course has nothing to do with Warner other than being in the Time-Warner fold. It's an HBO Pictures release.
Maybe this down time is a good thing...I can finally get around to going through my near 500 titles and check for accuracy. I know many of mine are not.
Recent example: American Splendor...right now, in my Profiler wish list, it says the Studio is Warner Bros. It of course has nothing to do with Warner other than being in the Time-Warner fold. It's an HBO Pictures release.
Maybe this down time is a good thing...I can finally get around to going through my near 500 titles and check for accuracy. I know many of mine are not.
03-01-04 | 02:54 AM
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God, after reading this thread I may never use DVD Profiler again even if they do fix the site. I'm really enjoying the simplicity of DVD AF plus its nice to have a list with cover art on my PDA.
I will agree that the program is full of bad listings. Studios and genres are very haphazard and many details are wrong. Never bothered me too much, just one of the downsides of so many people adding DVDs to the database.
I will agree that the program is full of bad listings. Studios and genres are very haphazard and many details are wrong. Never bothered me too much, just one of the downsides of so many people adding DVDs to the database.
03-01-04 | 03:19 AM
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Be annoyed all you like. Have I read the rules? No. Have you pointed them out? Yes. Much appreciated.
And before you went on your crybaby rant about those who don't know how to update you would have realized that my response regarding updating MSRP's was a question. See the question mark at the end. Again, thanks for the answer.
Again, thank you DVD Profiler God. I submit to your greatness in DVD Profiler Updates. I shall now delete my profiler list and start all over....enter everything in Hindu with MSRP amounts in Bhat!
And before you went on your crybaby rant about those who don't know how to update you would have realized that my response regarding updating MSRP's was a question. See the question mark at the end. Again, thanks for the answer.
Again, thank you DVD Profiler God. I submit to your greatness in DVD Profiler Updates. I shall now delete my profiler list and start all over....enter everything in Hindu with MSRP amounts in Bhat!
03-01-04 | 03:27 AM
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LOL, Bill now for the next question. Since IVS wrote the rules why do they allow MSRP changes. I could answer that but..... I beg all of you when the site wakes back up please come to the forums we have a good time and abuse all equally with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
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. I beg all of you when the site wakes back up please come to the forums we have a good time and abuse all equally with tongue firmly planted in cheek.Skip
03-01-04 | 03:32 AM
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Was just browsing through the guidelines....unless is it only listed on that forum only...doesn't say it within the dvd profiler program (that I can find yet).
God it's late!
Contribution Guidelines
DVD Profiler's database is built entirely through the efforts of our users from around the world. If you find a DVD that's not yet in our database, or spot an error or missing data on an existing profile, you can make the change and contribute it to DVD Profiler's online database.
IVS associates evaluate each contribution for accuracy before they're integrated into the online database. To make this process faster and more accurate, please read and follow the following contribution guidelines.
Profile Contributions
Do not use fake or made-up UPCs. If you wish to contribute a DVD which does not have a UPC, add it by Disc ID.
Do not contribute bootleg or pirated DVDs. They will not be accepted.
Contribute only DVD-Video discs. Do not contribute DVD-Audio, video games, Video CDs, or CDs.
Make sure you have the latest version of a profile before making your changes. Profiles which correct one issue, but are less accurate in another respect will be declined.
The DVD title should in general match the title on the DVD cover. Use the Sort Title field to adjust titles so they sort properly.
Sort titles should be used only to ensure proper sorting for titles which start with articles (A, The, etc.). For most titles, let the sort title match the title. Examples of well formed sort titles:
The Majestic -> Majestic
Star Trek: Insurrection -> Star Trek: Insurrection
Do not use HTML formatting for the Overview or Easter Eggs. Although this may display well for the My Profiler online collections, it does not display well in DVD Profiler itself or in printed reports.
Overviews should generally match the overview text on the back of the DVD case. If there is no overview on the case, a simple 1-2 paragraph overview should be used. Do not include reviews, extra features, hyperlinks, etc. in the overview.
Box Sets should be contributed as a single profile, unless the DVDs are individually packaged, such as in keep cases.
Do not use IMDB-style roman numerals in actor names.
Include only actors in the actor display. Crew (such as cinematographer) should not be included
Audio format channels should be entered as "matrixed". Therefore, Dolby Surround should be 3 channel, although it is physically stored in 2.
The Desc. field is for distinguishing between versions of a DVD. It's always safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. Before you enter something not in the list, consider whether it will help distinguish between multiple versions of a given DVD.
Image Contributions
Set your scanner to 120 dpi for best results. If your scanning software has a pattern removal option, that may improve the scan quality. The IVS server will adjust the image size to a maximum of 100 dpi. However, we store the full image quality, up to 120 dpi, for possible future expansion.
DVD Profiler requires both a front and back cover image to submit images. If you have access to the front image only, copy it to the back image so you can submit the images. Don't use an "Image Unavailable" type image.
Be sure that the image you're submitting matches the profile exactly. Existing cover images which more closely match the profile will not be replaced by new images, even if they're higher quality.
If you have a free registration, remember that there may already be higher quality images available online.
Make sure that both the front and back images are of equal or higher quality than the existing images. If either is of reduced quality, both will be declined. quality images available online.
Be aware of any changes you've made to the DVD's profile. Submitting cover images will also submit the profile.
God it's late!
Contribution Guidelines
DVD Profiler's database is built entirely through the efforts of our users from around the world. If you find a DVD that's not yet in our database, or spot an error or missing data on an existing profile, you can make the change and contribute it to DVD Profiler's online database.
IVS associates evaluate each contribution for accuracy before they're integrated into the online database. To make this process faster and more accurate, please read and follow the following contribution guidelines.
Profile Contributions
Do not use fake or made-up UPCs. If you wish to contribute a DVD which does not have a UPC, add it by Disc ID.
Do not contribute bootleg or pirated DVDs. They will not be accepted.
Contribute only DVD-Video discs. Do not contribute DVD-Audio, video games, Video CDs, or CDs.
Make sure you have the latest version of a profile before making your changes. Profiles which correct one issue, but are less accurate in another respect will be declined.
The DVD title should in general match the title on the DVD cover. Use the Sort Title field to adjust titles so they sort properly.
Sort titles should be used only to ensure proper sorting for titles which start with articles (A, The, etc.). For most titles, let the sort title match the title. Examples of well formed sort titles:
The Majestic -> Majestic
Star Trek: Insurrection -> Star Trek: Insurrection
Do not use HTML formatting for the Overview or Easter Eggs. Although this may display well for the My Profiler online collections, it does not display well in DVD Profiler itself or in printed reports.
Overviews should generally match the overview text on the back of the DVD case. If there is no overview on the case, a simple 1-2 paragraph overview should be used. Do not include reviews, extra features, hyperlinks, etc. in the overview.
Box Sets should be contributed as a single profile, unless the DVDs are individually packaged, such as in keep cases.
Do not use IMDB-style roman numerals in actor names.
Include only actors in the actor display. Crew (such as cinematographer) should not be included
Audio format channels should be entered as "matrixed". Therefore, Dolby Surround should be 3 channel, although it is physically stored in 2.
The Desc. field is for distinguishing between versions of a DVD. It's always safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate. Before you enter something not in the list, consider whether it will help distinguish between multiple versions of a given DVD.
Image Contributions
Set your scanner to 120 dpi for best results. If your scanning software has a pattern removal option, that may improve the scan quality. The IVS server will adjust the image size to a maximum of 100 dpi. However, we store the full image quality, up to 120 dpi, for possible future expansion.
DVD Profiler requires both a front and back cover image to submit images. If you have access to the front image only, copy it to the back image so you can submit the images. Don't use an "Image Unavailable" type image.
Be sure that the image you're submitting matches the profile exactly. Existing cover images which more closely match the profile will not be replaced by new images, even if they're higher quality.
If you have a free registration, remember that there may already be higher quality images available online.
Make sure that both the front and back images are of equal or higher quality than the existing images. If either is of reduced quality, both will be declined. quality images available online.
Be aware of any changes you've made to the DVD's profile. Submitting cover images will also submit the profile.
Last edited by Bill Geiger; 03-01-04 at 03:37 AM.
03-01-04 | 03:47 AM
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Bill:
There is a new version of the Guidelines that will come back with the site. The quote that Pac-Rat gave you was directly from the new Guidelines. They created that particular one specifically because there was a "war" going on over MSRP being changed.
Skip
There is a new version of the Guidelines that will come back with the site. The quote that Pac-Rat gave you was directly from the new Guidelines. They created that particular one specifically because there was a "war" going on over MSRP being changed.
Skip
03-01-04 | 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by jough
Skipnet is having his own conversation.
This thread is about DVD Profiler being down, not about your pet peeves about people's changes to the DB.
I don't read the DVD Profiler forums unless I have a technical problem or a feature request. I have no desire to.
Of course, I rarely submit new titles, either, because I have not ONCE gotten credit for them, and because when the title is finally listed it's usually not what I submitted and rife with errors and omissions.
Skipnet is having his own conversation.
This thread is about DVD Profiler being down, not about your pet peeves about people's changes to the DB.
I don't read the DVD Profiler forums unless I have a technical problem or a feature request. I have no desire to.
Of course, I rarely submit new titles, either, because I have not ONCE gotten credit for them, and because when the title is finally listed it's usually not what I submitted and rife with errors and omissions.
03-01-04 | 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by jough
MediaStorer is what they used to call DVD Profiler - they used to have a version that handled multiple media and then focused on just DVDs. I believe they have claimed to have a new product in development, but development doesn't bring in income.
I guess by EPKJ's rationale, the producers of the #1 rated television show, "Friends" are all poor and living on the street because their product is "free."
As I've said before, DVD Profiler is ad supported (i.e. they get PAID to show ads) and registration to eliminate the ads costs $25 a head.
Claiming that that business model can't work is silly. I'd advise you to check out http://opensource.org - they give the open source movement is all about free software, and most of those companies (i.e. Redhat) have found that giving away their product and offering support and extras (i.e. $25 registration) is a viable business model.
So how is it "self-evident" that they don't make money from DVD Profiler? Are you saying that the Intervocative people are just plain stupid, continuing to support a product that is *costing* them money?
And I'm not calling their official representative a liar. He said it was a hardware failure. I'm taking him at his word. My point is that there is NO HARDWARE FAILURE ON EARTH that could possibly cause a web server to be down for SIX DAYS unless they either:
a) couldn't afford to get new servers set up at another datacenter, or
b) willfully decided to keep the site down, for whatever reason - maintenance, upgrades, they're deciding on whether to keep it down forever and close the business, etc.
As I said, there is no computer hardware problem that can't be solved very quickly with the application of a great deal of money. Intervocative obviously doesn't have enough to get them back up. I say "obviously" because they've been down for six days. There is no possible reason it could take that long other than they chose to be down for that long or they can't afford the new server(s).
Most likely what happened is that they're waiting for their current ISP to fix the hardware, wait for parts to come in (although any major datacenter will have extra hardware on hand - so if this is the case, they went with a cut-rate ISP, which means that, again, they don't have a lot of capital to spend), etc., and are just waiting until their current provider fixes the problem, which obviously they're in no hurry to do (again, it's "obvious" because it's been down for SIX days - most datacenters will refund your month's lease if you're down for more than 12 HOURS - and they don't want to refund customers - so they make damn sure that a failure doesn't keep a customer down that long).
And Intervocative isn't a friend of mine. I'm not going to help them move their sofa. I'm not going to pay $25 for updates that I'm not going to receive because they either can't afford to stay online or decided to take their web server down.
I'd rather give that $25 to DVD Aficianado, who have always been up-front with their customers.
MediaStorer is what they used to call DVD Profiler - they used to have a version that handled multiple media and then focused on just DVDs. I believe they have claimed to have a new product in development, but development doesn't bring in income.
I guess by EPKJ's rationale, the producers of the #1 rated television show, "Friends" are all poor and living on the street because their product is "free."
As I've said before, DVD Profiler is ad supported (i.e. they get PAID to show ads) and registration to eliminate the ads costs $25 a head.
Claiming that that business model can't work is silly. I'd advise you to check out http://opensource.org - they give the open source movement is all about free software, and most of those companies (i.e. Redhat) have found that giving away their product and offering support and extras (i.e. $25 registration) is a viable business model.
So how is it "self-evident" that they don't make money from DVD Profiler? Are you saying that the Intervocative people are just plain stupid, continuing to support a product that is *costing* them money?
And I'm not calling their official representative a liar. He said it was a hardware failure. I'm taking him at his word. My point is that there is NO HARDWARE FAILURE ON EARTH that could possibly cause a web server to be down for SIX DAYS unless they either:
a) couldn't afford to get new servers set up at another datacenter, or
b) willfully decided to keep the site down, for whatever reason - maintenance, upgrades, they're deciding on whether to keep it down forever and close the business, etc.
As I said, there is no computer hardware problem that can't be solved very quickly with the application of a great deal of money. Intervocative obviously doesn't have enough to get them back up. I say "obviously" because they've been down for six days. There is no possible reason it could take that long other than they chose to be down for that long or they can't afford the new server(s).
Most likely what happened is that they're waiting for their current ISP to fix the hardware, wait for parts to come in (although any major datacenter will have extra hardware on hand - so if this is the case, they went with a cut-rate ISP, which means that, again, they don't have a lot of capital to spend), etc., and are just waiting until their current provider fixes the problem, which obviously they're in no hurry to do (again, it's "obvious" because it's been down for SIX days - most datacenters will refund your month's lease if you're down for more than 12 HOURS - and they don't want to refund customers - so they make damn sure that a failure doesn't keep a customer down that long).
And Intervocative isn't a friend of mine. I'm not going to help them move their sofa. I'm not going to pay $25 for updates that I'm not going to receive because they either can't afford to stay online or decided to take their web server down.
I'd rather give that $25 to DVD Aficianado, who have always been up-front with their customers.