Looks like he's leaning toward the Impact! version of the characters. I'm a massive fan of the Archie heroes. Especially the 80s Red Circle era.

My knees hurt just looking at that cover.

I'm a big fan of the Impact! versions too. RIP Mike Parobeck.

I like the Impact version of these characters too. It was actually my first introduction to them.

I wish Rob understood his weaknesses and let other people collaborate with him. With a good inker and a storyteller/writer, he could do much better with these projects. The problem is that he wants to do it all and he's not a very good writer. As an artist, you can see there's a lot of potential but when he had inkers working with him, the art looked so much better. As a writer, time and time again, he's tried but the stories are simply mediocre. He did Major X several years ago and it was mediocre. Then he threw a fit at Marvel when the creative team from Spider-Man/Deadpool had a small cameo of Major X without telling Rob. After that, he threw another fit when he was told that Major X didn't fit in Hickman's X-Men plans. From then on, he's bashed and complained about Hickman and the current X-books, which in my opinion, have been the best in over a decade. After that, Liefeld did Snake Eyes for IDW and it's another mediocre book.

Christ, what an asshole Liefeld is on social media

Ok. What’s wrong with what he said there?

Sounds familiar. Was there a Pete LoPresti?

This is a reference at the complaint that Ed Brubaker made today in regards to not receiving anything from Marvel after the Winter Soldier became a success in the Marvel films. Basically what Rob s saying is that Simon and Kirby created Bucky and no one should be receiving any creative credit for the character, which again goes back to the earlier conversation we had about Rob taking full credit for Deadpool and now wanting anyone else to take credit on the character development. We all know that’s complete horseshit.

Ok I see that.

Does Marv Wolfman and George Perez get any kind of royalties or creators credit for Nightwing?

Yes, they do

Someone should point out there would be no X-Force without New Mutants. And Nathan Summers existed before Cable.

Someone asked him that

To me his whole argument is hypocritical because on one hand he championed for creators rights but in this case he towing the corporate line because it goes along with his argument that Deadpool is his and his only and because he dislikes Hickman and Brubaker’s works and maybe them at a personal level.

Back in the mid 90's, it felt like they wanted replace Cable with Nate Grey (X-Man) from AoA .
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I'm really surprised that Brubaker isn't getting anything (I assume he still gets creator credit) since I'd think it would be similar to Nightwing. The guy created so much of the mythos of modern day Captain America that they can't throw him this bone?

That's Marvel for you. DC was the same way several years ago, but Geoff Johns started making sure that creators got credited and paid for any character that showed up on screen. Don't know how things are now that Johns has basically been pushed out and DC is run by AT&T. Marvel has only paid the Kirby estate and some others here and there, but for example, they didn't take care of Bill Mantlo, creator of Rocket Raccoon, until they were publicly shamed about it. Disney and Marvel pay high page rates and give generally good work for hire contracts but they don't like to pay royalties to creators for content created for the company. Look at Don Rosa and his horrible treatment by Disney. There are tons of examples about Marvel doing the same. That's why most creators prefer doing their work for Image or any other company that basically just publishes their work without acquiring the IP.

^ Paul Levitz kept the residue stream flowing for creators for years. Many have commented that if a creator saw something on TV or film that they created in a comic (and didn't see money for it), they called Levitz and he made sure they got the residues. One creator mentioned that he saw a toy at Toys R Us that was based on something he created so he called Levitz. Paul agreed and the creator soon saw a check.

This was the way it was at DC for years until Warner started paying more attention to their internal finances. After Levitz left, DC started playing games with the rules - Scott Shaw!, Roy Thomas and Gerry Conway were screwed out of Captain Carrot's usage in a video game (they were supposed to get payments for the Zoo Crew characters outside of comics as they own a percentage of the character rights). DC shifting how certain characters creators were credited - Supergirl is now being credited to Siegel and Shuster instead of Otto Binder & Al Plastino. Killer Frost on the Flash is credited to Dan Jurgens because it is the Caitlin Snow version. The creators of Killer Frost (Gerry Conway & Al Milgrom) are left out of residues.

A lot changed when Levitz left. Not sure where Geoff Johns crept into the equation but this is the first time I heard he had something to do with getting more creators credited. I don't doubt it. Johns certainly seems to have a good heart (despite what Ray Fisher says about him). Johns was already on his way out the door midway through Rebirth. There was a definite split between Johns and DiDio during that time with creators taking sides.

Marvel has always had a horrible attitude toward their creators. They fit in with Disney very well. Jim Stalin has gone on record that he has seen more money from Anatoli Knyazev (in Batman v Superman) than all of Thanos' MCU appearances combined.

Len Wein said he made more off of Lucius Fox’s appearances in other media than Wolverine’s.

Johns came in to fix things when Conway publicly blasted DC for not receiving royalties for Killer Frost and Caitlin Snow. When Conway called DC, someone from legal
told him that both characters were derivatives, so he wouldn’t be getting anything. Conway went public with his complain, Johns saw it and he went ahead and fixed things. That’s how many creators started receiving royalties again.

Now I'm afraid to dig up what Disney did to Rosa...

I think his big complaint was not getting royalties. Fantagraphics worked around that by licensing his name from him for the collections.

Not only not getting royalties but also not returning Rosa’s own artwork among other things. There are several Rosa documentaries out there, including the great Scrooge Mysteries, that go more into detail. I’ve been lucky enough to have met Don and we have spoken about some of the issues that he has with Disney. It’s one of the reasons he doesn’t sign anything related to Ducktales.

Sort of surprise, since he is a variation of the silver-age character that first appeared in the Superman comics.

"NightwingEditIn the pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths continuity, the maturing Dick Grayson grows weary of his role as Batman's young sidekick. He renames himself Nightwing, recalling his adventure in the Kryptonian city of Kandor, where he and Batman meet the local hero of the same name. In post-Crisis continuity he is fired by Batman after being shot by the Joker and becomes Nightwing. He maintains this identity during his role in the Teen Titans, and occasionally returns to assist Batman and his successors as Robin in the form of Jason Todd and Tim Drake, Tim in particular becoming a younger brother figure to him."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson

I’ve met him a few times, he had a sign at his table the said something like “No, I didn’t draw ‘Duck Tales comics’”

He was a great guy to chat with, and I’ve gotten sketches of Donald and Scrooge from him.

The name came from there but it's not hard to argue that the Kryptonian Nightwing is way different than Dick Grayson Nightwing.