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Old 01-27-14 | 08:51 AM
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Yea...I know Nekros may have issues at higher levels but it seems he's like other frames in the area where his primary ability works very well with another frame. It's still early but I'll play him as long as I can. He doesn't exactly fit in a "Run & Done" style mission though he can run. May give him a shot on a survival like Mimas and see how he can do.

I just hit (60) with Nova again so I need to do another Forma. The first one was the Aura slot for Siphon.

Synapase...I've Forma it once and just maxed it out again last night. I'm torn on doing another one Forma on it though. It's become a favorite to play with along side the Twin Gremlins. You're pretty much stuck with the elemental, Ammo re-gen, status, critical chance & damage. The other typical mods like slash, puncture and impact has no effect. I really haven't tried it on level 30 and above but it holds its own with everything below. I'd like to try the Acrid next.

On the Bronco Prime...where do the BP's drop again? I'm missing one part...

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My thoughts on warframes late game (only late game...all frames are fun and can do well vs low level enemies)...The truth is most will have guns that do 12000 to 24000 damage per second by the time they are fighting level 100 enemies, so pure damage dealing skills really lose their effectiveness late game. My thoughts below are against enemies that are over level 80.

Nova-Good in any situation. Helps tremendously late game when enemies are over level 80. Double damage, slow and another slam of explosion damage helps huge. One of the best overall Warframes.

Rhino- Good in any situation. Stomp works late game. Roar is amazing late game. Iron skin is amazing, but vs level 140 guys it is just one hit and gone, so the stomp/roar becomes more important. Damage is not important as Chess once said, its the ability to get enemies off of you.

Trinity- Boss killer, but late game the energy gain for team can help, and the 30 second invincibility can help as long as you keep it up at all times. Vs level 130 enemies it actually becomes one of the best frames because like I said earlier...at that level you can be killed quick.

Ember- Trash. Fun as hell vs low level enemies and even infected up to level 80, but after that her skills are pure fire damage, and they just don't even hurt the enemies. The lack of any crowd control skill makes her hurt the team late game.

Volt-Decent frame. Vs corpus Volt actually can still help the team up to about level 80, and even vs other groups his low level lighting bolt can be used over and over to slow down the crowd. His speed boost can help in infected defense missions a lot if you keep moving. Still not a frame I would want late game.

Loki-VERY strong as support vs corpus and grineer. Permanent invisibility makes him hard to kill late game as long as you are smart about where you stand. The skill that makes him so great though is the radial disarm. It is worthless vs infested, but against anyone with a weapon it is a permanent removal of all ranged weapons in a 50 meter range (buffed which is a must for this guy) The ability to turn ANY defense mission into what amounts to an infested defense mission makes 120 level Grineer and Corpus WAY easier. Vauban/loki combo is shocking how overpowered it is late game. Does not work on bosses though.

Vauban. Amazing on defense mission. That is not even using his ultimate, which I can't comment on late game since I won't use it until it is patched. Bastille when buffed lifts enemies up for over 30 seconds. They can't do anything. If you cast it in the open you are still a target for ranged weapons, but bastille can be thrown around the map locking down around 20 enemies for 30 seconds. This is another ability that just gets better and better late game.

Banshee. In the right situation very solid. She is squishy and her ultimate is absolute garbage. Late game it does no damage at all, and you can not move while using it. You will die if you cast it late game. Sonic boom is cool and you can use it to get some breathing room, but late game enemies are so fast they seem to recover almost as fast as you do when casting it. Sonar is the key. The problem is it is a bit glitchy and frame rate issues can make it hard to target the weak spots. That being said, when it works, you can drop a level 140 guys in a short half second burst with soma. Also, if the random weak spot is on the torso, all area damage applies. When you are surrounded by 30 enemies about 10 of them will end up with the weak spot on center mass. My banshee currently buffs damage 800%. So a Molecular Prime explosion from a nova while buffed with roar and a banshee's sonar will do 54,000 damage.

Excalibur. Weak. All of his damage skills are garbage. Past level 40 enemies they just tickle. This leaves one crowd control skill, and radial blind is just not strong enough. Even if you buff everything into it, you are never going to get more than 5 seconds of stun. They really need to patch it so the initial stun is effected by duration mods, then this skill might help late game. So what you get is a poor mans radial disarm. 10-20 seconds of ranged enemies not shooting you is not as good as permanent removal of ranged weapons.

Frost. Weak. I thought it was amazing early, but the vauban really outclasses the frost late game. All of his damage skills, like everyone's really, don't work late game. This leaves his snow globe as the one skill. If you make it too big the globe can actually hurt your team. Make it small and while it does remove all ranged damage around your postilion, late game when enemies swarm your position it can kill you when you can't help your team kill a guy inside the globe. It turns some areas into a death trap. If you think about it, you can protect a small area from gunfire or loki can just remove all guns. The slowdown is nice, but enemies move SO fast and take a long time to kill, so getting 30 enemies on you inside a globe is just nuts.

Mag- Weak as hell vs all but Corpus. A GOD vs corpus. Damage skills suck like all frames late game. Pull remains a great crowd control skill on maps with drop offs, but late game it can actually pull high level enemies to you making you die faster. It is all about the Shield polarize. When Corpus get to level 100, their shields hitpoints scale with their health. If a late level enemy has 10,000 shield and 20,000 heath, a buffed Shield Polarize removes 10,000 shield...restores your teams shield, then does 50,000 damage to every enemy in a 20 meter range. If you have roar and molecular prime up, that damage is....lets say it is high. It is the one frame in the game that has a skill that will scale forever. The harder corpus get, the stronger mag gets. You actually don't want to shoot enemy shields when a mag is on the team, because the higher the shield the better the damage. Just a note, you NEED to have a 70% blind rage and 30% focus to make this work. That way it removes 100% of the shields. This is the secret to this combo. Un-buffed you are only removing 50% of the shield, and the explosion only happens when all of the shields are removed.

Nekros- Amazing if you got the right team. Shadow of the dead is almost a waste. But it does act as a nice distraction late game. Terrify is the skill that makes him so strong late game. It will cause all enemies around you to stop attacking and lowers their armor. Against Grineer this skill is amazing, but it works on all enemies. It takes 20 plus enemies out of the fight for 45 seconds. This allows a lot of breathing room. It is also a great skill to cast right before Vauban's bastille since there is a limit to the number of enemies it will lift.

Nyx. WEAK late game. For the longest time I always though Nyx's chaos skill to be better than Nekro's terrify. Up to level 80 it is. After that I hate to say it but the skill loses its effectiveness. I would say 1/3 of the enemies hit by chaos still focus on you. 10 level 130 guys shooting you is not as good as none when you compare it to Nekros. Enemies hitpoints are MUCH higher than the damage they deal late game. Because of this they don't kill each other like they do low level. The end result is a skill that is just not as effective as the another frames. His other skills are garbage late game. Absorb has everyone focus on you, and the moment it goes off, anyone still alive continues to shoot you...so you die. It is a die button.

Sayrn- Second worst frame in the game vs high level enemies. Venom does not scale late game. Contagion requires you to get into melee range, which is a mistake late game. Miasma is a damage dealer that does about the same damage as other frames ultimate, but takes 4 seconds to use.

Valkyr- Worst Frame Ever. Rip line is fun, but has no real use against high level enemies. Warcry has potential, but a melee bump does not really help the team. Paralysis is a joke. Then we have hysteria. A skill that removes your gun, something you NEED late game, and lets you run around. You do NO damage. Sure you can't be killed, but that does NOT help the team. It basically removes you from the game for 30-60 seconds.
Quoting this because I agree with just about every word of it, and I think it bears repeating.

I think I could make a strong case for Snow Globe for defense against fast moving Corpus and heavy Grineer though.
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IMHO just about every frame needs a severe amount of balancing at this point. I really hope they slow down adding frames and clean up the ones that are currently implemented. It's pretty bad how few frames are useful at high levels.
Yup. It bugs me that so many of the character's powers are useless at high levels, and you have to rely only on weapons. Some things I'd like to see:

Almost all AOEs (swipe right) need a buff (Frost/Volt/Mag/Ember/Vaubon/Excalibur/etc). Nova's and Rhino's are the only useful ones I can think of against high level enemies, and that's only because of their crowd control functions.

Almost all direct attacks (swipe up) need a buff. Even on mid-level enemies, your guns are almost always a better option. Only exceptions I can think of are Mag, Loki and Ash. Otherwise, I don't even equip them.

Elemental characters should be impervious to their elements, because they are otherwise not the best frames, and they need all the help they can get (Frost/Ember/Volt/Saryn).

A few frames need to be faster because of the style of play they are suited for. Mag and Ember come to mind.

No frame should have any aura slot that isn't a dash. I actually think auras should be polarity free.

Helmets and buffs should be decoupled. Let me wear the helmet that looks good to me and give it the abilities I want, or even let me make it purely ornamental. Loki's submarine head and Frost's propeller head are getting hard to look at, and I'm thinking Trinity's best helmet is the one that looks like a toilet seat.

To be fair, Nova probably needs a debuff on Prime and Rhino's Stomp shouldn't immobilize as long as it does, but I hope they leave both alone.

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Old 01-27-14 | 06:29 PM
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Great write up Fox...thanks very much for all the detail.

Nova...she was my second Frame after Mag and have loved her from day one. her AoE is one of the best and has almost equal results on every enemy. I would like to play with Anti-Matter Drop a bit more. the specs on it shows it does have potential.

Mag...liked her as well but seems many pushed her aside when Nova came out. And I agree that she is almost a must to have going against Corpus using Pull and Crush since they deal "Magnetic Damage" but as you noted it's Shield Polarize that can be really helpful. I've used it more lately when l play Mag with Corpus and has done pretty good. But as the wiki says Mag's Polarize and Nova's Prime are almost made for each other. Prime then Polarize....I also wonder if using Polarize followed by hino's Stomp would work?

Didn't see your take on Oberon(?)

No frame should have any aura slot that isn't a dash. I actually think auras should be polarity free.......
exactly what Nekros has and I actually like it that way. Not getting the Double Points but I did get a few extra when I put a Level 7 Siphon in. By the way...Terrify is almost a must for me to have. I used it several times when the Cryopod was under attack and had to revive next to it. I sent the crowd packing and saved the player. And I use Shadows of the Dead at the end of the match right when they come out. I get about 30 seconds out of them and cast Terrify about half thru.

If I were to get a Sniper which should I get? I picked up Split Chamber for the sniper rifle somewhere and have yet used one.
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I still haven't built Nova.

One of these days.
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Originally Posted by flashburn
I still haven't built Nova.

One of these days.
That's cool. It's not like she's the best frame in the game or anything.

Potato'd Oberon and my Kunai. Not regretting either.

Oberon is probably limited at high level, but dammit, he's kind of fun and looks super cool. Plus I had a spare, and I've already potato'd my favorites (Nova/Rhino/Loki/Vaubon/Mag/Frost/Volt) and am at the point where I'm choosing between Oberon and stuff like Banshee or Saryn.
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That's cool. It's not like she's the best frame in the game or anything.
Better than Rhino? Come on.
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Originally Posted by flashburn
Better than Rhino? Come on.
Yes, or at a minimum, equal but different, and she's easily my favorite. Rhino is more versatile/durable, but Nova is pure offensive beast mode and is full of speed and spectacle. She is very much like playing Lileth in Borderlands. You'll see.

I was stunned to discover last night that I hadn't forma'd the Galatine, like ever. Needless to say that was corrected.

Also farmed Pathogen Rounds from the Alad V level, which is harder than it sounds.
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To me it's a toss up and split...

Nova has the edge on AoE overall, excellent on about every type of mission and enemy type, good speed and one Nova in a group is plenty.

Rhino is THE Tank in the game, best defensive frame, can almost take everything, a must to have in a defend group and the Iron Skin & Stomp is probably the best 1-2 of all the frames

...Also farmed Pathogen Rounds from the Alad V level, which is harder than it sounds....should've guess ya'll would get it while I wasn't in the group. How many times did we try that one night and nothing. Good to hear you did get it though.
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Okay, I'm going to make it a point tonight to farm for Nova.

I think I've played around 80 hours on PC, and probably 60+ of those hours was with Rhino. Played a bit with Trinity, didn't like it, Oberon is okay, but no Rhino, Mag was okay, but pull being nerfed sucks. I think that's it so far. I'm building Loki now, which will at least be a change of pace (literally).

I tried for two hours last night on Jupiter to farm for Neural Sensors, I did two survivals (20-35 minutes), couple boss runs, and a Nightmare defense... I got ZERO Neural Sensors. Fucking stupid!
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Okay, I'm going to make it a point tonight to farm for Nova.

I think I've played around 80 hours on PC, and probably 60+ of those hours was with Rhino. Played a bit with Trinity, didn't like it, Oberon is okay, but no Rhino, Mag was okay, but pull being nerfed sucks. I think that's it so far. I'm building Loki now, which will at least be a change of pace (literally).
You won't be sorry on Nova. She's crazy powerful and fast as shit.

Loki is also a winner. Strap him with a Galatine and go nuts.

Oberon is pretty cool and fun, but even at wave 25 on ODD, I was having to slam primed enemies multiple times with Reckoning, enemies were laughing at Hallowed Ground, and his health ability is kind of redundant with Reckoning.

At this point, I've potato'd all of the frames that I really want to, and am content to catch the occasional reactor alert for the remainder. But I might buy a few Catalysts just to flesh out a few weapons.

I tried for two hours last night on Jupiter to farm for Neural Sensors, I did two survivals (20-35 minutes), couple boss runs, and a Nightmare defense... I got ZERO Neural Sensors. Fucking stupid!
Neural Sensors = Alad V drops 1-2 at least 60-70% of the time, and he's a less than 5 minute run. In our farming for Pathogen Rounds, I think I picked up about 30.

Morphics = Hellas Mars. It's a mobile defense, and you'll get an average of about one per defense terminal. You can also use a Titan Extractor on Mars.

Orokin Cells = Sargus Ruk drops one at least 60-70% of the time and is a less than 5 minute run.

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Neural Sensors = Alad V drops 1-2 at least 60-70% of the time, and he's a less than 5 minute run. In our farming for Pathogen Rounds, I think I picked up about 30.
Interesting... I think the RNG is failing me.
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Weapons I think I might like to potato:

Boar Prime (seems like it would hit pretty hard and sounds f'ing awesome)
Dakra Prime (very straightforward sword with solid base stats...a compliment to Galatine)
Sicarus Prime (I liked the feel of the regular Sicarus)
Glaive Prime (Just different)
Flux Rifle (chose to potato the Synapse instead of this)
Ignus (same)
Ogris (or the new grenade launcher)
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Boar Prime is sick. I potato'ed it almost immediately, and I'm going to forma it at least once. I'm still torn on it vs the Drakgoon. Drakgoon is nice because the projectiles bounce off of objects once.
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Interesting... I think the RNG is failing me.
Not sure how many times you ran Alad V (you did say you did a couple of boss runs), but it's possible you'd miss 2-3 times in a row. But over larger sample sizes, my experience has been that he drops them more than half the time and usually in quantities of two.
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Boar Prime is sick. I potato'ed it almost immediately, and I'm going to forma it at least once. I'm still torn on it vs the Drakgoon. Drakgoon is nice because the projectiles bounce off of objects once.
If it had even one polarity slot, I probably would have, but honestly, it looks like a long term project with all of the forma it's going to need.

Bronco Prime seemed like a better way to go. It doesn't have a polarity slot either, but it's a great compliment to Soma, it doesn't conflict with Carrier's Sweeper for mods, and it benefits from superior pistol mods.

But I do think it will be my next potato, because I want to have at least one shotgun for a primary.
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I have the Soma sitting in my inventory, unranked. I will use it... soon.
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I have the Soma sitting in my inventory, unranked. I will use it... soon.
Hasn't built Nova despite her being an easy farm and an absolute beast of a frame. Hasn't used Soma despite having it for some time and it being arguably the best gun in the game.

You're dead to me.
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i'll second the Soma and it's surprised me despite it lacking in the slash, impact and puncture area. The critical is insane and great on open area maps and even on a run taking down enemies at a distance. Right now I'm running with either the Soma/Synaspe primary and Twin Gremlins secondary. I just Forma'd the Synaspse again with Sith's recommendation. I need to go ahead and bump up Heavy Cal (has 45% damage now). My Serration is at 120%...just don't have the resources to max it. The best I've got is around 777% elemental combo. I want the Acrid but need to do the test to open it and need that Pathogen Round mod.

Chess...care to help me get that one missing piece for the Bronco Prime...either receiver or barrel?

If ya'll want to do some farming on various places I'm in....Orokin Cells, morphics, Senors, parts, plans whatever. I need to move Oberon up but may need to forma Nova one more time and get Mag up as well. Need to look....almost seems like to much spread out but not getting ahead.
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Hasn't built Nova despite her being an easy farm and an absolute beast of a frame. Hasn't used Soma despite having it for some time and it being arguably the best gun in the game.

You're dead to me.
It's okay, I'm in Warframe heaven on the PC. Enjoy your month plus delay of patches, choppy framerate, ugly bloom/tint, and inferior graphics!

Honestly though, I've only had the Soma built for a couple days, and I've been leveling the Boar Prime currently. I tend to enjoy the Shotguns more than Rifles. Nova is kind of the same thing, although I haven't even opened up Europa completely until a couple days ago, I haven't even fought Raptor once yet. Just been busy having fun with other things in the game.
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I kid. I kid.

But thank you for beta testing.
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It's actually quite remarkable. I've yet to see anything "nasty" get in from a patch, and they hotfix bugs quickly, usually in an hour or so after they release a patch. Not to mention the only downtime that exists is to push the update, the servers are instantly available. The only thing I miss (besides playing with you guys) is using the PS4 controller. I tried using the Xbox 360 controller, but without the touch pad, it just makes using abilities clunky. I've been sticking with a keyboard/mouse.

Besides, we are all beta testing. Since, it's in you know... beta.
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LOL. Still kidding.

But I do actually like that the 5-10 weapons/frames that come with each update have been tested and judged with multiple youtube videos before we get them. It allows me to focus my resources on the really good stuff, like Nova and Soma.
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I was shocked to see how neglected my Galatine was last night. It had the right mods, more or less, but some of the elementals were completely unranked.

Meanwhile, I'm leveling up garbage gauntlets to get PSN trophies.
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LOL. Still kidding.

But I do actually like that the 5-10 weapons/frames that come with each update have been tested and judged with multiple youtube videos before we get them. It allows me to focus my resources on the really good stuff, like Nova and Soma.
Too true. It's hard to resist buying/building/potato'ing a new weapon just because something about it seems "cool" only then to find out it's a pile of junk. Then again those sorts of balance issues *should* work themselves out... eventually?


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