Right, which is why they want to sell as many as they can now to make up for that. Long-term, though, if game streaming really is "the next big thing" then what you're talking about will all be server-side and monetized accordingly.

Teh cloudz... or something.

Not retail, but I'm looking forward to the Destiny Beta as well.

We'll have to see how the pricing goes, but for now it seems that worrying that Playstation Now will kill PS4 sales is analogous to worrying that PPV On-Demand Movies will kill the demand for Blu Ray players and discs.

I've pushed Destiny completely off my radar at this point. Canceled my pre-order at Amazon this morning. Too many other games this fall/winter that I want to play/can identify what they are.

Just in case someone here has the burning desire to spend $59.99 now to pre-order a game at full price that's due to be released 564 days from now, here's the new E3 Pre-order page in the online PSN Store

Just got my Destiny Alpha invite from attending the E3 in a movie theater event.

Got a BF:H beta code but no Destiny.

Edit: Nevermind. Got both!

Are the Destiny beta codes coming from Bungie or the retailer that you preordered from?

From Playstation, Sony gave out vouchers at this E3 event in various cities

Destiny Alpha - correct?

So you are thinking that RYSE > The Order: 1886?

No. God no.

Yes
Isn't the worst case scenario The Order = RYSE?

Yessir!

No way The Order < Ryse.

Ryse wasn't terrible, but it was pretty short, and I'm no gaming expert.

Just got my Destiny Alpha invite.

Apparently there has been some discussion on if the Uncharted 4 trailer was pre-rendered or in game. that has been settled now...

Uncharted Developer Confirms Uncharted 4 Trailer As In-Engine, Not Pre-Rendered

A senior animator and coder for Naughty Dog has confirmed via Twitter that the trailer shown on Monday for Uncharted 4: A Thief's End was in-engine rather than pre-rendered.

Corinne Yu is currently animating and coding graphics for Uncharted 4 and has also worked on The Last of Us under Naughty Dog. Through a Twitter reply, she confirmed that what we saw in the Uncharted 4 trailer was in gameplay rather than a CGI cutscene.

[email protected],hum could you shed some light on this whole "It's realtime" "It's prerendered" about the U4 trailer?

Corrinne Yu@ Corrinne...Our U4 traier is an in engine real game level running on a real PS4, Paolo. Our trailer doesn't look good enough to be pre-renderded CGI.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...-rendered.aspx

Doesn't the trailer say explicitly that it's in-engine footage?

Yeah, I'm not sure who that was confusing for. People that can't read?

It's people that don't want to believe.

I mean it was pretty, but there wasn't anything there that was so mind-blowing that I had any reason to doubt them

Hey, they did say at the Sony conference that LBP 3 was coming out this year right? Because the Preorder page gives a 3/31/15 date. Hope that's just a crappy placeholder date until the game has a solid date. If they delayed it just three days after announcing it, that would be disappointing...

Amazon and Gamestop list 11/30/14

me too. is it available to play now?

right away destiny has sucked me in...will be on a lot of game of the year lists if it holds up...