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Let's be realistic here. Other than a few titles that get a substandard 360 port, once the One comes out, it's over for big name titles on the 360.

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I think their idea of "still supporting" is keeping the servers up and running.

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I guess I don't understand the economics of it all then. It seems to me that if 77 million consoles have been sold, it would still be worth focusing some energy on. Granted, many of those were repeat consoles, but even assuming there are 40 million Xbox 360s out there, it'll still be tens of millions more units than the new one for awhile. Surely that would be enough of a market to keep making top-tier titles. What am I missing here?

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I think we will still see a good number of games being released for the current gen after the Next-Gen consoles are released.

There is a huge installed base, but the biggest negative is that they would have to work on 2 different versions of the game, or sublet it to another company, which usually means that one version will not be as good as the other.

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For most AAA titles in 2014, they'll get released on both the 360 and XO. When we move into 2015, those AAA titles will start to become available only for the XO. Same thing will be said in regards PS3 and PS4.

2014 will be the transition year for both next-gen consoles. Sony supported the PS2 up until this year, so I expect the 360 and PS3 to still be supported anywhere from 2015 to 2017.

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This is the biggest issue. A lot of developers could program games in the Xbox 360, eyes closed, without issue (PS3 is another story). But having to program for another platform, that's too different... it's like the issue we have right now in the PC.

And oh yeah, the new consoles could mean great news for the PC.

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About the only games you can look forward to after the x1/ps4 launch are sports games & licensed games(and maybe XBLA/PSN titles that have been in the works for awhile). With yearly releases, the sports games are borderline shovelware to begin with, but it's just money in the bank for EA because of the large install base. Movie tie-ins are already looked down upon so a company will shit out 10 different versions regardless of quality. Parents and kids will buy them anyway.

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I still don't get why people are so surprised that the XBLA stuff doesn't transfer. It's a completely different system and the games aren't programmed for it. Including BC capabilities is no different if it's disc-based or hard drive-based and I really don't want to pay extra for them on top of the crazy price this thing is going to come in at.

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It's going to suck when they finally take the servers down.

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But by then, all the online communities for the multi-player games will be long dead. Which is why I'm not too into multi-player games.

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True that they're different systems but fucking Apple seemed to figure it out. I don't have to buy 250 new apps when the iPad 5 comes out.

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I was more concerned with re-dowloading dlc / xbla titles.

Don't they all use the same os?

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I doubt they wouldn't let keep playing games you've paid money for. Pretty sure that's illegal and they'd open themselves up to lawsuits if they did so. Maybe at that point, they'll just let you play whatever full-game you have downloaded into your machine without having be be logged into Live.

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They use variations of the same OS. More importantly though, they use the same basic CPU architecture, with each new CPU backwards compatible with the previous instruction set.

For the PS4 and Xbox One, they're both radically changing the CPU architecture of the system, which makes hardware backwards compatibility impossible unless they also include the PS3/360 CPU, which would drive up cost.

Going forward, as long as they keep to the x86-64 CPU architecture, newer consoles should be able to be backwards compatible with the previous.


I'm pretty sure that you can play XBLA games and DLC on the 360 without being online now. It's only XBLIG that require an internet connection to actually start, due to MS circumventing their ESRB ratings commitment by classifying XBLIG games as "online content."

None of the 360 download content is going to carry over to the Xbone though (apparently). So it's not like PC, iOS, or Android where content carries forward after an upgrade.

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Because there are people here that just think it's all "0's and 1's"

That's because they're all ARM CPU's with the same instruction set. Just about all mobile devices are, even the DS/3DS.

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That's because the system has stayed the same. How do those apps work on the first iPod?

You didn't buy the game - you bought a license to play the game, which they can revoke.

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To be fair, Steam has managed to deliver a game to a user regardless of whether they're on one of three different platforms: Windows, OS X, or Linux. Now granted, only a select number of games are available on 2 of the platforms, let alone 3, but the support is there. And as a game gets a port to another platform, Steam gives that version free to previous purchasers of the game.

So strict binary compatibility isn't the only criteria for whether a game bought digitally could be brought forward onto a new platform.

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http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics/kool1.jpg

I wonder how many people are actually aware of that legal mumbo jumbo they slipped in under everyone's noses.

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Don't think I'm excited about it - I've got more money in Rock Band songs than I want to admit on this forum. But I also never expected them to work on the next generation.

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That's nice. My point was people don't know or care about any of that stuff, they just think it's all "digital" so everything should work.

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I guess I don't get all the "free pass" thinking many of you have regarding digital content. I know I can keep my Xbox 360 to play those games -- and I will. I also realize that this is nothing more than a cash grab by MS to sell us the same shit for another generation. How hard would it be to allow us to play Pac Man CE on the X1? I get that in game content can't be re-downloaded... but I guarantee there will be another version of Dragons Lair and Pinball FX.

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No, "people" think companies should make the effort to make it work so that their consumers don't feel like they're getting the shaft. Telling the people that spend thousands on your ecosystem that "backwards compatability are backwards" is the opposite of that.

I do find it might interesting that 8 years ago the gaming community tore MS a new one for no BC yet praised Sony for having it. Now we are in the same spot, tearing MS a new one and we're just supposed to accept that "hardware blah blah blah" and "games are a license, we don't own anything" nonsense.

That's it, I'm buying two of each.

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No what? That doesn't change what i'm saying. Stupid comments from Microsoft personnel aside, it still comes down to consumers not knowing or understand the technical difficulties behind it. It's easy for you to sit back and say Microsoft isn't putting forth the effort, it's another for those that realize what it would take to either 1) use software emulation to make all 360 games work (and knowing all the game specific compatibility issues that would come with it), or 2) the cost of including 360 hardware in each XBox One to accomplish it without consumers subsequently paying for it like the initial PS3.

I don't disagree that consumers shouldn't feel like their getting shafted, but it's not as simple as believing its because Microsoft doesn't give a shit. That's silly.

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Or:

3) Releasing a backwards-compatibilty add-on for those willing to pay extra for this feature.

4) Offering free upgrades to Xbone compatible versions of games as they're released (mainly XBLA material).


There were rumors of option #3, being a set-top box with no disc tray that could play limited games and apps and network with the Xbone for backwards compatibility, called the Xbox Mini.
http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/