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wlj 05-23-13 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 11703268)


thank you for that. i needed a good laugh this morning :lol:

chess 05-23-13 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Clothesoff (Post 11703389)
I'm more annoyed with the TV functionality and multitasking bullshit that I'll never, ever use on a GAME machine.

This is pretty much where I am as well...no real issue with connection requirements...don't buy all that many used games, though I do appreciate that they force prices down on new games.

Does anybody actually watch live TV any more (other than sports)??? The few shows I watch, I always watch off DVR or on-demand, and I assume if XO had DVR functionality, they would have mentioned it.

I also can't help but wonder how much RAM all of that shit uses.

RichC2 05-23-13 07:57 AM

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People do realize Microsoft is just trying to expand the marketplace with those TV features right? Nastyass gamers don't care, Microsoft is trying to win the battle for your TV and it's a good stride forward. Also I still watch live TV - albeit it's more of a time killer than any actual programs, I tend to watch those on demand.

That said, all the other shit makes it sound like a crippled PC. I don't buy used games frequently, but I do borrow and lend games out all the time with co-workers.

Always on Internet isn't actually required so I don't mind that one.

Hopefully they're just presenting this really poorly, Microsoft never has had the best PR.

Oliver Clothesoff 05-23-13 08:12 AM

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I will say if XBOX Live ends up with NFL Sunday Ticket, I will sing MS's praise because the NFL and the NBA are the only things keeping me from dumping Comcast TV entirely.

RichC2 05-23-13 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Clothesoff (Post 11703437)
I will say if XBOX Live ends up with NFL Sunday Ticket, I will sing MS's praise because the NFL and the NBA are the only things keeping me from dumping Comcast TV entirely.

And that didn't convince you to get a PS3 when they got NFL Sunday Ticket? (It's down to $149.95 if you purchase pre-season. Down from $339)

redbill 05-23-13 08:18 AM

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The problem with Sunday Ticket is you can't cut cable/satellite because they block out your home team (if you live in their market), unless you have an antenna. And even with an antenna, pretty much all NBA/MLB games are on a local cable channel, no OTA. And I assume those are blacked out too with the MLB/NBA season pass thingy. Plus MNF, which you can watch on ESPNGo, IF you subscribe to cable.

I don't see how any non-gamer will choose a $400-$500 home entertainment center, with a $50 yearly charge, over a $100 apple-tv, or $60 roku. Sure it does more, but not $400 more to a non-gamer.

RichC2 05-23-13 08:20 AM

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I'd safely put Roku at the $100 level now, the 3 is $100 and it is awesome.

I don't see non-gamers spending $400 - $500, but it is an additional justification outside of a dedicated "game box", and I'm sure Microsoft will fork it and release the TV functions as a $100 box sometime soon.

chuckd21 05-23-13 09:38 AM

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I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

Oliver Clothesoff 05-23-13 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by redbill (Post 11703443)
The problem with Sunday Ticket is you can't cut cable/satellite because they block out your home team (if you live in their market), unless you have an antenna. And even with an antenna, pretty much all NBA/MLB games are on a local cable channel, no OTA. And I assume those are blacked out too with the MLB/NBA season pass thingy. Plus MNF, which you can watch on ESPNGo, IF you subscribe to cable.

I don't see how any non-gamer will choose a $400-$500 home entertainment center, with a $50 yearly charge, over a $100 apple-tv, or $60 roku. Sure it does more, but not $400 more to a non-gamer.

dang. this all too complicated, which is why Comcast gets $150/mo from me.

RichC2 05-23-13 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703532)
I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

But it's also dirt cheap. I bought Borderlands 2 for $22 when it launched, I bought Alan Wake for $2 yesterday. Plus Steam Sales...

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18oi.../ku-xlarge.jpg

shumway 05-23-13 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703532)
I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

Can't say I'm going 100% PC Gaming but, like Rich said, you can purchase new games on the cheap, not to mention revisit old gems with new updated mods.

pinata242 05-23-13 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by shumway (Post 11703559)
Can't say I'm going 100% PC Gaming but, like Rich said, you can purchase new games on the cheap, not to mention revisit old gems with new updated mods.

Plus all the classics are supported through emulation and consistent architectures.

Matthew Chmiel 05-23-13 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11703417)
I don't play either game, but did no one learn anything from the Sim City and Diablo 3 debacles?

Always online sounds innocent enough, but it's still a bad idea.

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No. You're wrong.

Sim City and Diablo 3 require you to connect to a server to play the game rather than playing it locally on your hard drive. If Origin or Battle.net is down, have fun not playing the game.

The Xbox One requires you to connect to the internet once every 24 hours to "check in" making sure you haven't breached the terms and agreements. Entirely different than comparing it to the Sim City shit show, but it's also the same thing Steam does every time you open the application. :D


Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 11703545)
But it's also dirt cheap. I bought Borderlands 2 for $22 when it launched, I bought Alan Wake for $2 yesterday. Plus Steam Sales...

Thanks to Amazon and their constant sales and pre-order promotions, I've walked away with such 360 titles at the following low prices on release date:

Borderlands 2: $35
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3: $11
Halo 4 (Limited Edition): $0
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Collector's Edition): $24

... but I've spent just as much as those totals during a single Steam sale. I just love throwing money away.

Krayzie 05-23-13 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11703592)
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Halo 4 (Limited Edition): $0
Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Collector's Edition): $24

$0 and $24? I don't recall them ever having a sale like that.
Edit: I am guessing you're using $20 preorder promo credit?

foxdvd 05-23-13 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703532)
I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

I don't look at it that way...I already have a pc, and play pc games. By making the xbox one more like the pc, I don't feel the need to buy one. Why support a system if it now is both weaker and just as anti-consumer as my pc? Kinect does not get me excited, and all the xbox one overlay shit with live tv does nothing for me. The bottom line was I was ok with a weaker 360 because of how easy it was to use, and the fact that I could share with friends and my kids. I could walk into the mall and spend 30 minutes looking at games at a store, even though I knew what games were already there. The xbox one is taking that away. What it brings in its place has no room in my life, so I will stick with pc.

Now if someone was saying "Fuck xbox one, I am going to spend 2000 bucks and go buy a pc" I would agree with your quote....

Groucho 05-23-13 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703532)
I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

When new games are as cheap as they are, who cares about the used market?

Krayzie 05-23-13 11:04 AM

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I am a bit concerned by him saying "certain" single player games will work without internet. The majority of them should work if they're single player games.

chess 05-23-13 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 11703630)
When new games are as cheap as they are, who cares about the used market?

But are they only cheap because PC is currently a niche market?

If PC ever overtook consoles for market share, I suspect those fire sales would largely dry up.

Jeremy517 05-23-13 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 11703658)
But are they only cheap because PC is currently a niche market?

No. The business models are completely different.

Console manufacturers are subsidizing hardware costs and making up for it with game sales. The same is not true for PCs. Steam and PC game companies are not subsidizing hardware costs. There is also no physical media. There are also no middlemen taking a big cut of the pie.

chuckd21 05-23-13 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Krayzie (Post 11703633)
I am a bit concerned by him saying "certain" single player games will work without internet. The majority of them should work if they're single player games.

Most will. Sim City won't.

Tracer Bullet 05-23-13 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703532)
I'm just amused by the whole "FUCK THIS SHIT I'M GOING PC ONLY" mentality that's growing from this. PC gaming is nothing but DRM and there's no used market.

But if consoles are becoming more like PCs without the benefits of PCs (frequent sales, mods, backwards compatibility) then what is the point of a console?

Tracer Bullet 05-23-13 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 11703691)
$500 for top of the line. That's really all I can think of.

Yeah, there is that. That's really the one benefit consoles still have.

chuckd21 05-23-13 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet (Post 11703677)
But if consoles are becoming more like PCs without the benefits of PCs (frequent sales, mods, backwards compatibility) then what is the point of a console?

Comfortable seating with a controller you'll know will always work, playing a system that you don't have to fiddle with.

davidh777 05-23-13 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chess (Post 11703421)
Does anybody actually watch live TV any more (other than sports)??? The few shows I watch, I always watch off DVR or on-demand, and I assume if XO had DVR functionality, they would have mentioned it.

Hmm, they didn't demonstrate "XBOX SKIP COMMERCIAL"

Tracer Bullet 05-23-13 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 11703698)
Comfortable seating with a controller you'll know will always work, playing a system that you don't have to fiddle with.

I must either be a computer genius or have super amazing luck then, because I haven't encountered a problem getting a PC game to run since the days when I had to fuck around with IRQ conflicts.

At this point, as long as your computer meets the specs and you're not trying to run it on a non-gaming laptop, I doubt you'll run into any trouble.

I've had more trouble with my 360, honestly. I'm replaying <i>Mass Effect</i> right now and the thing has frozen on me twice so far, necessitating a hard reset.


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