Michael Corvin

Well when you're competition is releasing an empty plastic shell, they can scale back on the specs.

Michael Corvin

but seriously, maybe they were counting on that cloud computing more than they let on.

But yeah it could also just be nonsense.

Jay G.

Yes, because a console OS is different than a PC OS.

flashburn

I really have no reason to be biased (actually, I have good reason for being impartial). I'm just trying to help people understand why the performance difference is so great right now.

The differences in programming when it comes to rendering are completely different on each system. Sony has their own graphics driver, and MS has their's. They are different API's.

discostu1337

The 50% more powerful rumor was from 1 undisclosed developer and debunked over a week ago. Moving on...

flashburn

So do you not believe the specs, or do you not believe that there will be a performance difference? The specs are definitely real (but like that article said, things like the clock speeds aren't locked down yet).

Would you call MS completely throwing out their graphics driver a couple months ago and starting from scratch boneheaded? Of course the differences in the end won't be as huge as that article states (as I already said), but there probably will be cases where doing an A/B comparison shows differences favoring the PS4 in most cases. I think a lot of the cases might be more subtle though, where a game is running at 1920x1080 on PS4 and 1800x900 on Xbox One, or AA/AF settings are different between the two. The sort of things that PC gamers often tweak to get an optimal framerate.

flashburn

It can be ~50% more powerful at certain things. In reality, it might translate to less than 5%, it just depends on what the workloads look like. There are also things that the Xbox One is better at than the PS4 due to the ESRAM.

Brack

I love video game gossip articles like the bs article that doesn't name names. Where is the validity in any of it? It's all nonsense. Why would anyone realistic about this stuff post such crap?

Michael Corvin

Honestly, I don't give a shit(they'll both be awesome in their own ways), but if you're gonna be that arrogant post a link.

chess

A week ago?

Do you mean this "undisclosed developer" from People Can Fly, and how was it "debunked"?

Dan

Pfft. Facts. We don't need 'em!

Brack

Hearsay is now fact? Those tweets are meaningless.

chuckd21

I believe the listed specs for each console. I also believe that there might be performance differences. Furthermore I believe that some developers are liars, some "unnamed sources" are full of shit, and no one has played one final retail release of either product yet.

Brack

The fact that they're "unnamed sources" should lead to the conclusion of bs. That's how I take gossip and mudslinging, when people are too gutless to come out front and center.

chuckd21

Maybe Madden will look better on the PS4, and then maybe the only way to pass the ball in PS4's version of Madden is to flick the touchscreen touchpad. In that example, who cares which version looks better, because I'm not doing that shit.

There'll be dozens of examples of this, on both sides. Each console will have strengths and weaknesses. If how a game looks is all that mattered, we'd all be buying the new Neo Geo systems this November.

flashburn

Shit, there's a new Neo Geo system coming out this November?!

Brack

There are new Neo-Geo systems? Why are we even talking about the PS4 and Xbox One?

Dan

If Microsoft's Signature PCs* are any indication, then it's pretty safe to assume that they'll be able to optimize the hardware/software/drivers to the best possible potential.
Will it be BETTER than the PS4? No idea. But it'll be comparable, and that's all that these consoles need to be.

*computers built by the usual hardware-makers like Acer, Dell, and even Sony, but with MS-optimized software/drivers, and without crapware and other proprietary software. I read a big article about it once, but can't find it. Signature PCs were compared to their exact equal non-Signature counterparts, and were noticeably smoother-running and performed better overall. They were also about $100 more expensive, because most PCs are subsidized by the crapware-makers.

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chess

chuckd21

You should read that article Chess.

chess

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chess

Ditto.

flashburn

I'd love to read such an article. It's the first I've heard of "MS-optimized software/drivers", whatever that supposed to mean. I highly doubt they are writing or optimizing drivers for PC hardware they didn't manufacture.

chuckd21

There's a difference between blindly defending a brand out of loyalty and arguing against rumor, speculation, fanboyism and total random horseshit.

And again, I bought both fucking consoles. If the hivemind was saying the Xbox One is pwning the PS4 in GFLOPS and teratransistor processing CPU speed trials I'd say the same things. No one knows shit. When the games come out, they can be compared. That's that.