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He used to work for Gamestop, and still have friends there. I think he has commented about that in the past, how he gets free games and stuff.

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Quoted to keep the original post intact before cooler heads prevail and he decides to edit it. You deserve to be homeless.

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Why would I edit the truth?

Like I said, most games are not worth keeping. Why pay $60 for some average game that lasts 4-6 hours?

The games that are good, I do buy, then trade back in once I finish it (Skyrim, GTA, Saints Row, Dead Space, Bioshock etc)

If the X1 had kept it's original digital and sharing plans intact, and family sharing worked how it seemed it would, I probably would have purchased and kept many more new games, since I could split the costs with others. Like I said.

Not quite understanding all the hate for not wasting money, but whatever.

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Game developers hate you :sad:

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It's more for the exploitation of a store's return policy. If you only want to keep a game for 7 days, rent it.

I work at a used book store, and our return policy is pretty draconian in order to keep people from using our store as their personal library. This "borrowing" isn't a victimless offense either; it costs money/time to sell, refund, and restock. It's basically people like you that ruin it for the rest of us.

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Man, these discostu plot twists are AMAZING.

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I don't get the crap he is getting for what he's doing it. If the store's policy is to take the game back for whatever reason within 7 days, then he has every right to do what he's doing. If Gamestop wants to stop this practice from happening, they need to change their policy.

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This.

It costs us all. Developers, publishers, retailers and all of their employees have to make money, and when one person is a smarmy freeloader, that burden gets passed to the rest of us.

If he does end up homeless, he should be able to live in his X1's retail packaging, which I'd imagine will be quite spacious.

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This. I think it's kind of shady to do what stu's doing, and I wouldn't do it myself, but Gamestop's policy lets it happen so... blame Gamestop. But this is why devs and pubs hate the used game market. Gamestop enables this behavior which allows, dare I say, too many people to play a game.

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What makes you think Gamestop hasn't already tailored their policy because of this practice? There's a reason the return period is 7 days for used games, instead of the 30 days for new games.

Also, the stated return policy isn't that it can be returned for "any reason," but only "if you are not completely satisfied".
http://www.gamestop.com/gs/help/Returns.aspx

Back in 2003, Gamestop had to stop accepting returns on opened new games, instead only offering an exchange of the same item. This was because too many people were buying new, playing the game, then returning it.


Here's a story of someone doing the "7-day rental" where the GS employee actually attempted to stop the return because the customer admitted to enjoying the game:
http://www.polygonalslant.com/gamest...return-policy/


discustu is not the only one who does this, but most other gamers find it, at the least, unethical.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367380
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8367007/1/

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I think purposely buying, using, and returning products at any retailer is on the shady side, whether it be video games or any number of products and even if the store technically allows it. And in this case, seeing developers not get anything for their hard work with this practice bothers me on a professional level.

It's legal. I don't do it, but it's legal.


This is nothing compared to how some people used Costco return policy to exchange big TVs every six months or so. There are more examples of course.

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Gamestop has a really easy way to stop this. We had the same policy in place at the mom and pop store I used to work at. If you returned a used game, it had to be because it is defective. That was the only returnable reason for a game. Once Gamestop does that, this isn't an issue anymore. But, because they aren't preventing it, I'm completely fine with him doing what he's doing. It may be in the moral grey area and people may not agree with it, but until their policy changes to prevent this practice, he's fine in my eyes to continue to do what he's doing.

Of course I'm also in the camp that feels it is OK to return items to a store without a receipt for credit, but let's not rehash that argument.

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Now I understand why you were so adamant about the Xbone original plan saving the industry. Because you're abusing return policies, and them putting restrictions on used games is the only way to get you to stop. Makes perfect sense now.

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I honestly don't care that discostu is unethical or whatever, but I do think it's pretty funny that he is EXACTLY the type of "customer" that XB1's original anti-used policy was designed to deter, yet he was the most enthusiastic defender of that policy.

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As someone already stated, he wanted big brother to help him stop the behavior he was powerless to stop on his own. Like how Republicans hate the gays.

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Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.

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Actually, no. It's fraud.

Specifically, it is return fraud, which is an actual crime that takes many forms. This particular form of the crime is known as "wardrobing". Edit: legality appears to vary state to state, and nobody prosecutes despite estimated $10B losses every year.

There simply aren't enough faces to palm. :doh:

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Well said by both.

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jesus. it's not illegal. get your facts straight when you want to be all holier than thou.

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in your opinion. it's not a crime and it's not against their policy, so he's doing nothing wrong. i love people who like to impose their sense of morality on others.

alcohol is legal, too. does that mean it's not right to drink alcohol? where does it end?

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And that is why Costco now only honors returns on electronics for 90 days.

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So here's a thing:

http://abload.de/img/3maxf2u37.jpg

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Yes, most moral and ethical judgments are a matter of opinion.

Equating legality with morality is only halfway through the stages or moral development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenc...al_development

Most people develop beyond that and know that just because there's the law allows something, doesn't make it right, especially if the person/entity is exploiting a legal loophole to do so.

That's a really good example. Alcohol was made illegal in this country for a period of time. Does that mean that all of a sudden drinking alcohol was wrong? Were the people of this country wrong for eventually repealing that law?

Even now that it's legal (in most places, for people over 21), various religious beliefs may cause an individual to refrain from drinking alcohol.