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So, to recap...
Sony fans who were never going to buy an XO will still never buy an XO.
X360 fans who decided to switch to PS4 are staying that way because of MS flip flopping.
MS fans who actually liked the prospect of an all-digital console are upset because those sharing features are presumably gone.
And about 6 people cancelled their PS4 orders and switched to XO.

So, what was the benefit of throwing in the towel so early?

:D

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:shrug:

I'm still planning on getting both! :banana:

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Same here. :banana:

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^ same here! :banana:

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I had both pre-ordered, and while I didn't care that much about the changes, this does make me slightly more inclined to keep my One pre-order.

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Right, forgot that category.
Those getting both are still getting both.

Way to win people over, Microsoft.

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This was an attempt to stop the bleeding, but I'm inclined to agree.

I think they'd been better off just dropping the price.

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rotfl

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Wow, Cliffy B, the most high profile developer who makes games exclusively for Microsoft systems, said this was a bad thing? I'm shocked!

Also, there's this false assumption that all used game sales go through Gamestop. Places like ebay, half.com, craigslist, etc. beg to differ.

However, if this scheme had gone through, Gamestop would be one of the few places that you could resell your games. And yes, a cut would have been kicked back through the system, but you can't seriously believe less competition in that area would be good for consumers.

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I will also admit, Francis and a new video was the 1st thing I thought of after reading the announcement. :lol:

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Wow, been out enjoying the weather and all hell breaks loose.

Most accurate post since the news hit. First it was too far one way, now it's "fuck off" here's what everyone wanted to begin with. Apparently innovation and taking away people's rights aren't mutually exclusive at MS. Instead of trying to innovate in a way that actually benefits gamers, they threw in the towel.

You can still build a digital library and not swap discs. Game sharing could still be on the table. There's no reason why a bunch of smart people at MS couldn't figure this out. Cloud computing (which was never clear anyway) could still happen for those connected to the cloud. So, uh yeah. Nothing has changed in regards to this magical future you and MS had envisioned. ;)

:up: I like the way you think. Save me the trouble of typing a bunch. MS was high on themselves and have been paying the price for the past six months with negative press, all of which was deserved. This reversal is an attempt to reverse the tide, but make no mistake, their goal and mindset hasn't changed, just delayed it a bit.

Cliffy D*

*Douchebag

I don't think he knows shit. Studios will close... not because of used games but because they make shitty games no one wants. He's high on the MS kool-aid.

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Am I the only one who hasn't stepped foot in a GameStop in years? Last time I was there was when they marked down the new dead stock of PS2s to $40, and that was in 2011.

I figure'd most people mainly buy and sell games on sites like eBay and Amazon nowadays.

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Last time I went in was in 2010 during their brief deal of the century when I traded in my existing 360 elite console (with accessories) in exchange for a brand new Slim.

The last time I cleaned out my inventory, I actually went to Best Buy to do so in 2010 as I (surprisingly) got more and used it to buy Black Ops instead.

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I bought Persona 4 Golden from one when I was really bored.

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To be fair, he left Epic a year ago. :)

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Gamestop has its moments.

I hit them up when they have B2G1 sales on used games, and I recently traded in about a third of my current gen collection for PS3/Wii while they had a trade 7 games get $35 bonus credit deal. Normally I'd sell on Amazon if I were just getting rid of a few games, but it was a pretty serious pile, and I don't feel like doing all of the shipping and such. I ended up with enough to cover my PS4.

They also happen to be right next to 5 Guys and Panera where I live, so it's sometimes fun to wander in and chat with the nerds who work there while my food settles.

Gamestop has a function in our gaming ecosystem, and my only real beef with them is the god damn stickers they put on everything.

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I feel like i'm coming off as a Microsoft apologist here, but I have to kind of chuckle at how Microsoft can't win at all. I understand those that won't buy an Xbox just to be wary and don't like that the tried to introduce this system to begin with, but the complaint that Microsoft was so incredibly anti-consumer being followed now by how Microsoft sucks because they're not trying to innovate at all is pretty funny.

To scale back "features" less then 6 months before the probable launch, it makes complete sense for them to keep it simple now and try and re-introduce some of the features later on down the line when they have more time to go back to the drawing board. They needed/wanted to act quick, and that was the best way to do it.

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To be fair, I'd say most of the people complaining about the lack of innovation are not the same people who complained about the anti-consumer issues.

And many of the people who complained about the anti-consumer issues have now said they will consider an XO, either at launch or down the line.

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Other than Kinect and the price, I'm good with Microsoft...well, that and the fact that they seem to be run by a bunch of nitwit empty suits. But if they get some compelling exclusives that aren't Halo or Gears, there's a good chance I'll get one down the road. Even at launch, Titanfall looks fully badass.

As Supermallet noted, the people complaining now are the people who had staked out ground defending MS's previous positions, and the people who were complaining before are mostly placated.

To be fair, it's all been pretty hard to keep up with as it's spun out of control from the moment they launched it and said "TV" 432 times.

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The forced Kinect is still something I could do without, along with the price tag, but I'm glad Microsoft at least realized that they wouldn't survive this generation without these changes.

What they're going to do now will quell some people but overall the unbelievable PR job Mattrick has been doing over the past couple of weeks is like nothing I've seen before. This was a step in the right direction. I just wish Amazon released pre-sale numbers to see what a difference today's revelation has had on the Day One system.

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That's true, it just seems like a few people are still vocal in continuing to dislike anything and everything about Microsoft and those are standing out to me.

Although for me, the extra $100 I'm forced to spend on a Kinect i'll never use bothers me more then any of the digital stuff, and part of me wants to wait and see if they'll change their minds on that like they did everything else.

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I think this will sway a few but I still think the damage is done. MS made it clear that they don't give a shit about gamers and only care about the living room. We're just a roadblock in their way.

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Agreed. I'm certainly not going to pre-order one right now. Who knows what else Microsoft might offer us if pre-orders remain low?

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I'm pretty easy to please. Optional Kinect. Lower price. Don Mattrick's head on a pike. I'm not asking for a forest of impaled employees like some modern-day Vlad Tepes.

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