PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
10-26-13 | 10:12 PM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Movies are the ones 24 fps.
For release date, being able to play (wow!) with your PS4 right away will be a big advantage. Although they have said that the X1 will take up to 20 minutes to patch (ha!), I think that means you have to wait that time, no option to play a game. That's the way I understand it, same way as the WiiU.
For release date, being able to play (wow!) with your PS4 right away will be a big advantage. Although they have said that the X1 will take up to 20 minutes to patch (ha!), I think that means you have to wait that time, no option to play a game. That's the way I understand it, same way as the WiiU.
10-26-13 | 10:22 PM
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10-26-13 | 11:03 PM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Movies are the ones 24 fps.
For release date, being able to play (wow!) with your PS4 right away will be a big advantage. Although they have said that the X1 will take up to 20 minutes to patch (ha!), I think that means you have to wait that time, no option to play a game. That's the way I understand it, same way as the WiiU.
For release date, being able to play (wow!) with your PS4 right away will be a big advantage. Although they have said that the X1 will take up to 20 minutes to patch (ha!), I think that means you have to wait that time, no option to play a game. That's the way I understand it, same way as the WiiU.
I don't expect the day one patch to be a big deal on either system.
10-26-13 | 11:33 PM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
It's at the point where I'm straight up not letting my friends get Xbox Ones. CBOAT at neogaf is saying the execs decided what went under the hood over the engineers at MS and things are going to be bad at launch, conventional thinking being faulty OS or games not starting.
The fear is that competition is a good thing and its bad for the industry, but the counter argument is that the systems that really moved gaming forward were ones that dominated their generation - NES, Genesis, PS1, Gameboy.
The fear is that competition is a good thing and its bad for the industry, but the counter argument is that the systems that really moved gaming forward were ones that dominated their generation - NES, Genesis, PS1, Gameboy.
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10-27-13 | 12:17 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
You're really going Genesis over SNES?
10-27-13 | 12:21 AM
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10-27-13 | 12:33 AM
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10-27-13 | 12:39 AM
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10-27-13 | 12:40 AM
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10-27-13 | 12:48 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Not sure what that means for PS4/X1 cause I sure as hell doubt Kinect is the force MS thinks and/or wants it to be. Second screen is a novelty as well. Maybe this gen just boils down to games. Novel concept.
*Despite the lopsided PS2 win, I'd argue the Xbox did more for gaming than anything on PS2. Made HD & broadband standard, hard drives, Live, DLC, digital marketplace, etc. People weren't ready for HD & broadband when the 360 hit let alone 4 years earlier. They made that push and everyone else followed suit.
10-27-13 | 01:11 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Not sure what that means for PS4/X1 cause I sure as hell doubt Kinect is the force MS thinks and/or wants it to be. Second screen is a novelty as well. Maybe this gen just boils down to games. Novel concept.
*Despite the lopsided PS2 win, I'd argue the Xbox did more for gaming than anything on PS2. Made HD & broadband standard, hard drives, Live, DLC, digital marketplace, etc. People weren't ready for HD & broadband when the 360 hit let alone 4 years earlier. They made that push and everyone else followed suit.
*Despite the lopsided PS2 win, I'd argue the Xbox did more for gaming than anything on PS2. Made HD & broadband standard, hard drives, Live, DLC, digital marketplace, etc. People weren't ready for HD & broadband when the 360 hit let alone 4 years earlier. They made that push and everyone else followed suit.
I feel the Dreamcast had some of the right ideas in place, but failed on the execution. Xbox got the execution right (internet) that the Dreamcast failed to get.
10-27-13 | 01:15 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Anyone here following Adam Sessler? He's having some kind of meltdown
https://twitter.com/AdamSessler
Some are speculating it's the restrictions for video recording of the ps4 preventing him from making videos. He's being very vague about the whole thing.
https://twitter.com/AdamSessler
Some are speculating it's the restrictions for video recording of the ps4 preventing him from making videos. He's being very vague about the whole thing.
10-27-13 | 01:57 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
In my head it was Genesis over Turbografx-16, you're right it's silly to say Genesis won by a lot over SNES
With Xbox the 1st thing I think of in terms of the games is voice acting. KOTOR changed was the first game I can remember where it impacted the game. But if you say Wii and PS2 won the last gens basically for gimmicks - PS2 did more than just game by playing DVDs and motion controls for Wii, well that's why every generation now it's like these are the same games they just look better. It was about expanding the base, not about the gamers. Now the PS4 looks to me like its back to the roots - not aping iPad or Wii. There was no chance of me getting a Day One Xbox One since E3 and I'm not thrilled with every wrong turn MS has taken since, because competition is normally good, but I see positives for the WiiU and XB1 for being so undesirable. I hate having to decide if I'm getting Arkham on PS3 or 360 every 2 years. Hate the consoles taking up my whole tower. I'm looking forward to this launch more than I thought I would.
Nah. The consoles who won their generation generally offered up something new and unique (i.e. competition). PS1 had discs which allowed for bigger games, FMV and the like. PS2 had DVD playback which was enticing over a dedicated gaming device but more importantly, games. Lots and lots of fucking games*. Wii nailed the motion tech demo as a game and simple controls for grandma.
Not sure what that means for PS4/X1 cause I sure as hell doubt Kinect is the force MS thinks and/or wants it to be. Second screen is a novelty as well. Maybe this gen just boils down to games. Novel concept.
*Despite the lopsided PS2 win, I'd argue the Xbox did more for gaming than anything on PS2. Made HD & broadband standard, hard drives, Live, DLC, digital marketplace, etc. People weren't ready for HD & broadband when the 360 hit let alone 4 years earlier. They made that push and everyone else followed suit.
Not sure what that means for PS4/X1 cause I sure as hell doubt Kinect is the force MS thinks and/or wants it to be. Second screen is a novelty as well. Maybe this gen just boils down to games. Novel concept.
*Despite the lopsided PS2 win, I'd argue the Xbox did more for gaming than anything on PS2. Made HD & broadband standard, hard drives, Live, DLC, digital marketplace, etc. People weren't ready for HD & broadband when the 360 hit let alone 4 years earlier. They made that push and everyone else followed suit.
10-27-13 | 09:07 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Well we all hear about the file size of Killzone is large at....
Killzone: Shadow Fall final file size is 39.7GB
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kil.../1100-6415765/
.and now this from COD: Ghost...
Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 Allegedly Requires 49 GB for Install
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...gb-for-install
....which goes back to that light minor concern which seems to have got lost in all the XP vs PS4 debate...one has a removeable HD and one doesn't. I remember when this was brought up it was no big deal as the main concern at the time was the dreaded "HD Failure" and running out of disc space....naaaah...5000gb is plenty.
Those who have been around PC Gaming for a long time can vouch the steady climb in file size of game over he last 10+ years just like hardware advancement. So i had to go back and check some of those highly touted games from way back and compare their file size to the latest off Steam.....
System Shock 2 - 1999 - 2GB
Call of Duty: Ghost - 2013 - 40-50GB (Steam shows 40GB...other sites 50GB)
...which again brought up the original issue...having a removable HD vs one you cannot take out...or at least being told as much. Even when you look at the history of the 360 and PS3....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
....you see the steady incline of adding larger HD's. When they first came out with their 20, 60 and 120Gb hard drives everyone back then said no worry....funny but almost the same thing we're hearing now. I honesty don't fully understand the inner workings of "The Cloud" but I'm one of those who likes to hold or have content near me and not off some far away place. I can understand off site backups but not using data or files streaming live.
Killzone: Shadow Fall final file size is 39.7GB
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kil.../1100-6415765/
.and now this from COD: Ghost...
Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 Allegedly Requires 49 GB for Install
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...gb-for-install
....which goes back to that light minor concern which seems to have got lost in all the XP vs PS4 debate...one has a removeable HD and one doesn't. I remember when this was brought up it was no big deal as the main concern at the time was the dreaded "HD Failure" and running out of disc space....naaaah...5000gb is plenty.
Those who have been around PC Gaming for a long time can vouch the steady climb in file size of game over he last 10+ years just like hardware advancement. So i had to go back and check some of those highly touted games from way back and compare their file size to the latest off Steam.....
System Shock 2 - 1999 - 2GB
Call of Duty: Ghost - 2013 - 40-50GB (Steam shows 40GB...other sites 50GB)
...which again brought up the original issue...having a removable HD vs one you cannot take out...or at least being told as much. Even when you look at the history of the 360 and PS3....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
....you see the steady incline of adding larger HD's. When they first came out with their 20, 60 and 120Gb hard drives everyone back then said no worry....funny but almost the same thing we're hearing now. I honesty don't fully understand the inner workings of "The Cloud" but I'm one of those who likes to hold or have content near me and not off some far away place. I can understand off site backups but not using data or files streaming live.
10-27-13 | 09:25 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Well we all hear about the file size of Killzone is large at....
Killzone: Shadow Fall final file size is 39.7GB
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kil.../1100-6415765/
.and now this from COD: Ghost...
Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 Allegedly Requires 49 GB for Install
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...gb-for-install
....which goes back to that light minor concern which seems to have got lost in all the XP vs PS4 debate...one has a removeable HD and one doesn't.
Killzone: Shadow Fall final file size is 39.7GB
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kil.../1100-6415765/
.and now this from COD: Ghost...
Call of Duty: Ghosts PS4 Allegedly Requires 49 GB for Install
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...gb-for-install
....which goes back to that light minor concern which seems to have got lost in all the XP vs PS4 debate...one has a removeable HD and one doesn't.
PS4 doesn't "install" disk based games. It puts them in cache. Some will say that's a distinction without a difference, but the assumption would be that the cache clears when you remove the disk, or maybe it caches your last couple games. So some portion of your HDD will presumably be set aside for cache (the bad news), but you won't always have to clean the fridge either (the good news).
Source is Shu on twitter:
David Magalhães @DiamondDM13
@yosp Sorry to ask this here, but I'm confused. Does the PS4 have mandatory game installs to the HDD? Or is that optional?
Shuhei Yoshida @yosp
@DiamondDM13 it's automatic, not install but caching data
10-27-13 | 09:57 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Anyone here following Adam Sessler? He's having some kind of meltdown
https://twitter.com/AdamSessler
Some are speculating it's the restrictions for video recording of the ps4 preventing him from making videos. He's being very vague about the whole thing.
https://twitter.com/AdamSessler
Some are speculating it's the restrictions for video recording of the ps4 preventing him from making videos. He's being very vague about the whole thing.
It looks like he's being a diva because the major gaming sites are getting early review units and youtube personalities aren't.
I can't imagine he'd really be that worked up over HDCP. For whatever window it takes Sony to firmware it out of gameplay, they can strip it with a $20 HDMI splitter.
It would have been nice to see him get that worked up over DRM or any number of other things that affect actual consumers.
10-27-13 | 10:09 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
A few days back he said he would be doing some next-gen reviews soon so I think he has early review units. I thought Rev 3 games is owned or associated with Destructoid?
10-27-13 | 10:10 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
I did see that.
It looks like he's being a diva because the major gaming sites are getting early review units and youtube personalities aren't.
I can't imagine he'd really be that worked up over HDCP. For whatever window it takes Sony to firmware it out of gameplay, they can strip it with a $20 HDMI splitter.
It would have been nice to see him get that worked up over DRM or any number of other things that affect actual consumers.
It looks like he's being a diva because the major gaming sites are getting early review units and youtube personalities aren't.
I can't imagine he'd really be that worked up over HDCP. For whatever window it takes Sony to firmware it out of gameplay, they can strip it with a $20 HDMI splitter.
It would have been nice to see him get that worked up over DRM or any number of other things that affect actual consumers.
10-27-13 | 10:53 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
These are the most relevant:
In other words, I'm not getting a debug unit like the big outlets, and I'm making a fuss on twitter. Fucking wah.
The sad thing is that it will probably work.
I was also following at the time...multiple other "colleagues" chimed in on GAF (Albert Pennelo, Marcus Beers, Kevin Dent and others). My personal favorite was from Jeremy Conrad, on twitter:
@ManaByte: When I was at IGN, we stood in line 18 hours to buy our PS2s for work. Any reviewer crying about not getting a free PS4 is a little bitch.
In other words, I'm not getting a debug unit like the big outlets, and I'm making a fuss on twitter. Fucking wah.
The sad thing is that it will probably work.
I was also following at the time...multiple other "colleagues" chimed in on GAF (Albert Pennelo, Marcus Beers, Kevin Dent and others). My personal favorite was from Jeremy Conrad, on twitter:
@ManaByte: When I was at IGN, we stood in line 18 hours to buy our PS2s for work. Any reviewer crying about not getting a free PS4 is a little bitch.
10-27-13 | 11:23 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
Marcus Beer sez:
and
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(If Sessler's concern has to do with the latter, presumably it's because he's afraid it's indicative of a larger, industry-wide shift to prevent early coverage? I don't know.)
IGN's Marty Sliva:
While it's possible that Sessler is going nuts about not getting a debug unit, there are some pretty massive logical leaps that have to be made to bound from those tweets to that conclusion. I'd think it'd have to be something bigger, like Sony not allowing monetization of videos with gameplay footage or a fundamental inability to capture/control video footage.
There's that invitation for a PS4 review event:
Does that mean gaming journalists are basically only allowed to provide a timely review of the PS4 based on what they experience as a part of that event?
Let me clarify 1 thing, it's not about "video capture issues", it's about evaluating things in staged environments.
If the media can't do it's job due to daft restrictions, we can't do our job and inform the consumer properly. That's the crux of things.
Its not just about the games, its reviewing the actual system 2 days before the damn thing ships.
IGN's Marty Sliva:
Can't go into too much detail, but to shed a bit of light on this, Adam's frustration will in no way impact you guys whatsoever. It just makes our jobs a hell of a lot harder. Sorry for being vague, but just know that there's no need to read too much into this.
Also, I promise you we at IGN don't have some single magic piece of hardware that no other outlet has. We're all in the same boat.
Also, I promise you we at IGN don't have some single magic piece of hardware that no other outlet has. We're all in the same boat.
There's that invitation for a PS4 review event:
Does that mean gaming journalists are basically only allowed to provide a timely review of the PS4 based on what they experience as a part of that event?
10-27-13 | 11:30 AM
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10-27-13 | 11:30 AM
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re: PS4 Pre-Release Thread: No MP3 for You! (11/15/2013)
For release date, being able to play (wow!) with your PS4 right away will be a big advantage. Although they have said that the X1 will take up to 20 minutes to patch (ha!), I think that means you have to wait that time, no option to play a game. That's the way I understand it, same way as the WiiU.[/QUOTE]
PS4 System Software Update 1.50 Details
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/...-1-50-details/
PS4 System Software Update 1.50 Details
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/...-1-50-details/
Spoiler: