I freely admit to discounting Kinect. Guilty as charged.

It might help if they had shown some gaming functions for it rather than emphasizing its use as an overcomplicated tv remote.

I just got off the phone with a good friend of mine that has had both of the previous iterations of the Xbox. He had the PS4 pre-ordered and I just asked him about it and he said that he switched to the Xbox and I asked why. He pretty much said exactly what you posted. I then asked him what other reason are you getting it aside from that and he said he really didn't know. Then he told me that he is likely going to cancel now.

Yes, Titanfall does look amazing, and they'll have it for 6-12 months before PS4 owners do.

The controller could be a reason for now, but I've heard nothing but glowing reports about the DS4, so I don't think that's a long term problem.

Nuh uh! Don't even bring this up to the fanboys because they will fight you tooth in nail on the belief that this will ever be a multi-console release.

Except for the fact that a blu-ray player was just as expensive as a PS3 at launch. Buying a PS3 meant you got both.

The Kinect does nothing without the XBONE. Maybe at some point there will be an adapter so you can hook it up to a PC, but the more likely scenario is that they'll just release a later PC version.

Sure, some will find value in it, but not as many as those interested in blu-ray in 2006. Even MS has seen the light there and added it.

That blows my mind and almost explains your attitude over all these months.

So you couldn't think of ANY reasons like... people who are crazy about the Halo series (or to a lesser extent maybe Forza racing fans, or Gears of War series), those who are swayed already by something like Titanfall (which a few here have mentioned as a big reason and system seller), those that actually like the Kinect (not me, but those darn kids and those pesky dance games!) which has sold millions of cameras, having a preference for things like the controller, or the UI and multiplayer/party capabilities that many are still familiar with and arguably still might have a slight edge, or that there might even be those that are intrigued by the entertainment capabilities of the system? The One is NOT objectively a matter of "getting less for more."

I seriously can't fathom that someone who follows gaming news can only chalk it up to that or simply following friends.

I expect quite a bit of this will happen. Microsoft was quick enough with the 180 that I don't think most folks even knew or understood what they tried to do. Xbox still has a lot of mindshare out there, and that alone will sell a heck of a lot of units.

And either of these consoles could stumble out of the gate and change the whole dynamic.

In my case, the truth is that I would be buying ANY console right now if one of them weren't $399. Normally I'd wait for a price drop or a sale/bundle, but that's just damn reasonable. I'm not sure how prevalent that mindset is...guess we'll see in a couple of months.

EA wishes it was a multi-console release right now. Believe that.

I don't get where you get douche from in that article.

That's nice, but not really the point. I wasn't the one that brought up the comparison to begin with, i'm just saying it's obvious there's some value to the Kinect for people out there. I'm sure there were people that bought a PS3 that didn't know or give two shits about Blu-ray then.

And adding Blu-ray isn't really a matter of having "seen the light" that's a bit silly and seems to allude that they resisted or something back during the 360 launch.

He likes the PS4 and wants to buy it, its not our money so he can do whatever the heck he wants.

I will be giving mine to MS this generation, as it easily has the most potential and I love the UI/online etc.

Which is perfectly fine. I don't care what he or people do, but to me I can see why people would want to buy a PS4, a PS3, a Wii U, whatever. It's not that difficult to reason for any console out there. I almost bought a launch PS4, and I still plan on buying a PS4 just like I own a PS3 super slim and a PS2 slim (and for more then a week!).

But acting like anyone buying a One must be out of their mind because it's more expensive and less power and that's all that matters is just a bizarre way of thinking.

And you loved MS before and it doesn't appear that you own a PS3 either so why should we expect change from you. As far as getting a PS3 having a bd drive was more important to me than it being a gaming system itself. Since I am as much if not more of a movie fan than gamer this was huge to me. However, I don't understand how you believe that the One easily has more potential than the PS4. Is there something you know that the rest of us don't? There is still a lot that remains to be seen.

I disagree. For X1, you:

Pay More: It's 25% more up front, has almost all of its features tied to Gold (more cost), and forces you to rebuy every peripheral.

Get Less: Fewer exclusives, less variety, less power, and less free stuff (Games with Gold may turn into a thing, but so far it's a joke)

Looks objective to me.

Plus there's the not small matter of MS trying to fuck us over.

?? I got a launch 60gb and a slim 120gb. Yes, it was 90% for movies, like most of the world, but I have a PS3

Potential? PS4 is just another PS3. X1 has multimedia, Kinect, cloud, digital, sharing potential to me.

Again, that is subjective as if you want the Kinect 2.0, then that is a large savings.

Features tied to Gold don't mean shit since you are already paying for Gold to play online.


Games with Gold may be a joke, but it was something that MS added after the fact, it is not something that we were expecting to get when we purchased it.


Power based on numbers, ok... but let's see them in action.

That is like saying a 700HP Pinto should be more powerful/faster than a 300HP Ferrari.


Subjective - they were trying something new and different and the general public did not want it, so they listened and changed.


What do you think is going to happen when we finally become digital only?

This is when I stop gaming unless the pricing shifts downward when this happens.

Exclusives: so far, but quantity does not equal quality. MS spent like a billion dollars or something on games this generation, so who knows.

Variety: No idea where you got this, if anything Xbox has/had much more variety with the exception of quirky indie games.

Power: not proven and X1 may actually be more powerful based on recent events. But again, irrelevant.

Free stuff: technically xbox wins, since their games with gold are free to keep, where ps+ is required to play theirs. But I see your point and yes, ms needs to do something.

Fuck us over: lol nope, people just didn't get it which is understandable. Bad PR mixed with people being morons.

Misc: gold paywall is again irrelevant, be smart and buy gold if you own the console. Stop thinking of paying $100 extra for the Kinect, because its not true. The system is 500 and includes a Kinect, it only costs extra if the system is available without, which does not exist.

The price definitely has to go lower for digital titles... I'm not sure why they don't do it now.

Was hoping one of you guys would bring this up.

Please elaborate...and please tell me you're talking about a second GPU hidden under the APU. That rumor is better than the 12GB of RAM rumor.

Power is only irrelevant when you're marketing something that's less powerful.

If ANYBODY at MS thought the X1 was more powerful, they'd say so, just as Sony has. They'd be shouting it from the rooftops like they did with their CPU and GPU bumps that modestly narrowed the difference.

You can disagree, but you'd still be wrong. "Less" isn't objective, it's subjective given how much you value the Kinect (among other features). And you ignored all the other valid reasons someone would prefer an XBox One that makes the price and theoretical technical power advantages matter less to someone's purchase decision.

You can't be that narrow minded, can you? This isn't discostu level of hyperbole, it's simple reasoning. Even if the cost and power were taken out of the equation, I could reason for the other side that people prefer Sony's console because of some of the reasons you stated; the lower (or previously free) cost of PS+, the free games, that some actually prefer the Dualshock, or some love Sony's first party games that much like Uncharted or God of War. Or hell, before that Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo which sold PS2 and PS3's. There's tons of reasons people prefer one console over another, and I don't see how you can overlook those and the value people put on them.

And of course, those of us used to the PC digital world probably didn't see Microsoft's proposed rules as the gaming apocalypse that the console guys did, so it's not hard for me to see the counter opinion there too.

Because they don't want to piss off their retail partners.

I grabbed a PS3 at launch and waited more than 3 and a half years before I owned my first 360, so I wasn't part of that. Not sure what your point is other than "they did it too!" I just know why I've made the decision to go with the Xbox at launch this time and wait a bit before picking up the Sony console (which I will almost inevitably own as well), and I tried to explain those reasons to those who are acting over-dramatically perplexed by it.

1. Not sure if serious, because a 700HP Pinto would be scary fast.
2. Funny to hear you parrot an Albert Panello (MS PR guy) argument.

I thought he said something similar, but my reference really came from a new episode of Top Gear I watched today and I believe they were actually comparing a Viper to a McLaren (or maybe is was the Ferrari to the McLaren...) Either way the McLaren smoked both of them.