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-   -   The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/video-game-talk/606478-wii-u-cool-sony-evil-nintendo.html)

Michael Corvin 12-03-12 04:23 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Yeah, MarioU not supporting the pro pad is befuddling. Probably my biggest gripe thus far.

Liver&Onions 12-03-12 05:15 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Too lazy to look it up for myself.

But - can ALL games be routed to the gamepad for playing?

Adam Tyner 12-03-12 05:19 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Ocelot (Post 11492655)
Another disappointment: Wii U Pro controllers... $50? Okay, I understand, it's a console accessory, it can be expensive, I'm not complaining. What's disappointing is that it doesn't work on most games, not even Mario U!
I bought one thinking it'd be my primary method of playing, and I've yet to play a microsecond of a game with it. Of the four games I have, only two support it, and both seem to encourage the use of the gamepad instead. I like the gamepad a lot more than I thought I would, so it's not the worst thing in the world, but I wouldn't get the pro controller if I were doing it all over again.

mhg83 12-03-12 05:57 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 11492762)
I bought one thinking it'd be my primary method of playing, and I've yet to play a microsecond of a game with it. Of the four games I have, only two support it, and both seem to encourage the use of the gamepad instead. I like the gamepad a lot more than I thought I would, so it's not the worst thing in the world, but I wouldn't get the pro controller if I were doing it all over again.
Will the wii pro controller work with wii u games?

Drexl 12-03-12 06:15 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Ocelot (Post 11492655)
Another disappointment: Wii U Pro controllers... $50? Okay, I understand, it's a console accessory, it can be expensive, I'm not complaining. What's disappointing is that it doesn't work on most games, not even Mario U! You got to be kidding me, the whole purpose of purchasing something cool looking (like an Xbox controller) Pro controller is to use it! I ended up using old Wiimotes for Mario U multi-player. I know the back of the game case tells you the controller compatibilities, but Sega Racing Transformed supports it (not mentioned on the back of the game case though).
Nintendo almost seems to be teasing us with the Pro controller. At least with the Wii, you could understand it because the main controller was weird for traditionally controlled games. And yet, some games still required you to hold the remote on its side, which I always found a bit awkward.

But here, a Pro controller doesn't even seem to be necessary, as the GamePad has a traditional layout. Still, if they're going to release a Pro controller, they should support it whenever possible. Frankly, it should be "enforced" by making both controllers send the same signals; the Pro controller shouldn't need any kind of special support.

Adam Tyner 12-03-12 08:30 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 11492805)
Will the wii pro controller work with wii u games?
Not sure. I never had one.

Supermallet 12-03-12 09:40 PM
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I played through Assassin's Creed III with the pro controller. The build quality is not up to the level of the other consoles.

Ocelot 12-03-12 10:02 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 11492805)
Will the wii pro controller work with wii u games?
No, not all Wii U games. Check the back of the game case for definite answer, but it can be misleading too (Sonic Racing All-Stars Transformed don't have Pro controllers listed on the back, but the Pro controllers work anyway).

Pro controllers don't work for Mario U, that's a confirmation.

Ocelot 12-03-12 10:05 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11493056)
I played through Assassin's Creed III with the pro controller. The build quality is not up to the level of the other consoles.
That's correct... For games like AC, Batman, CoD, there's no point to play on the Wii U (for those of us have Xbox and PS3). It's not just the Pro controller kind of "weak" but also online communities... It seems that aside from those mentioned titles, the Pro controller is pretty much useless. I regret my purchase very much.

Ocelot 12-03-12 10:14 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 11492824)
Nintendo almost seems to be teasing us with the Pro controller. At least with the Wii, you could understand it because the main controller was weird for traditionally controlled games. And yet, some games still required you to hold the remote on its side, which I always found a bit awkward.

But here, a Pro controller doesn't even seem to be necessary, as the GamePad has a traditional layout. Still, if they're going to release a Pro controller, they should support it whenever possible. Frankly, it should be "enforced" by making both controllers send the same signals; the Pro controller shouldn't need any kind of special support.
Totally agree... I'm seeing 3rd party pro controllers with Wiimote functionality:

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Controller...pro+controller

Which is a slap in the face to the Nintendo's official Pro controller. I don't know what the heck Nintendo is thinking when they design the Pro controllers that can't even play Mario U... It still upsets me that I have to hold the Wiimote sideways (playing multi-player with friends, we take turns to use the gamepad, which we don't have to if the Pro controllers work).

Noonan 12-04-12 07:42 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 11492805)
Will the wii pro controller work with wii u games?
It does for Black Ops 2. That's all I've tried it on so far. The button layout ends up being different though, since it doesn't have clickable analog sticks.

Krayzie 12-04-12 08:33 AM
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Well damn. I bought a pro controller to use with Mario. I guess I should return it now. At least I will save $40...

RichC2 12-04-12 08:33 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
So when does new stuff get added to the Wii U store?

jdpatri 12-04-12 09:05 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
I added everyone in the list. I think.

bunkaroo 12-04-12 12:37 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Has anyone finished Mario with all star coins yet? Man I finally got through the "Run for It" level in World 9 last night with all coins after about 2 straight hours of trying again and again.


Spoiler:
Worst part was, I was at the very end 4 different times waiting for the time to end so I could jump on the coins in time, and did it too early every time. Finally listened for the exact music note when it would change.


I don't know if my game skills are fading or what, but I find the later levels in these games to be quite difficult. Do I just suck? :)

ultimaton 12-04-12 01:28 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 11493693)
Has anyone finished Mario with all star coins yet? Man I finally got through the "Run for It" level in World 9 last night with all coins after about 2 straight hours of trying again and again.
That level becomes significantly easier with a P-Corn.

Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 11493693)
I don't know if my game skills are fading or what, but I find the later levels in these games to be quite difficult. Do I just suck? :)
I agree, there's definitely a huge ramp in difficulty towards the end, especially if you're trying for all the star coins, where you have to be pretty precise.

bunkaroo 12-04-12 01:48 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
I haven't even tried the challenges yet. Almost finished 9-5 last night so just 9-5 through 9-8.

Run for It definitely reminded me of the ice level in the Wii version where everything was melting and you had to stay on the move no matter what.

jdpatri 12-04-12 03:10 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
If anyone cares to read more about Nintendo's stake in this console, the first part of my article on the Wii U is up at http://theupstart.co/19597/can-the-w...ckle-fan-base/.

Michael Corvin 12-04-12 03:28 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Great read JD, however:

Sony’s Playstation 2 and Microsoft’s Xbox systems dominated the generation. Nintendo’s Gamecube excelled in niche and nostalgia but lagged in technical prowess.
Xbox didn't dominate at all. It barely sold better than the Gamecube, and technically the GCN was more powerful than the PS2, however your overall point about core gamers going elsewhere for adult fare, stands.

jdpatri 12-04-12 03:43 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11493900)
Great read JD, however:



Xbox didn't dominate at all. It barely sold better than the Gamecube, and technically the GCN was more powerful than the PS2, however your overall point about core gamers going elsewhere for adult fare, stands.
Completely fair observation. I had to trim that section down and removed a supporting statement that might have explained that point more fully. My editor decided the details weren't as important as the primary point. (I had to cut something like 600 words from the Nintendo history. Killed me to do so.)

Brent L 12-04-12 03:47 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
I believe that NSMBU is the most challenging 2D Mario game in years - more so than all of the other NSMB games and I can't even remember the last one that was harder than this one. You have to go way back, for a 2D Mario to meet this challenge. I absolutely breezed through the other games, with all star coins and all of that, but I have hit more than few roadblocks in this one. I love this game all the more because of that. I may go so far that it's the most challenging since SMB3, it seems right on par with that one or so. This game is almost as if they took SMB3 and meshed it with SMW and then of course sprinkled it with the "New".

Supermallet 12-04-12 05:40 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Ocelot (Post 11493084)
Totally agree... I'm seeing 3rd party pro controllers with Wiimote functionality:

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Controller...pro+controller

Which is a slap in the face to the Nintendo's official Pro controller. I don't know what the heck Nintendo is thinking when they design the Pro controllers that can't even play Mario U... It still upsets me that I have to hold the Wiimote sideways (playing multi-player with friends, we take turns to use the gamepad, which we don't have to if the Pro controllers work).
That's a cool looking controller. I'll wait for it to release and see what the reviews are, but I love the SNES look on that white one.

Drexl 12-04-12 05:52 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
I don't think I'd want the controller with the colored buttons because they don't match up with the 360 colors. It would just be confusing for someone who never played a Super Famicom.

Unless you could take it apart and rearrange the buttons, of course.

kurupt 12-04-12 06:16 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by jdpatri (Post 11493878)
If anyone cares to read more about Nintendo's stake in this console, the first part of my article on the Wii U is up at http://theupstart.co/19597/can-the-w...ckle-fan-base/.
Very good article, JD.

Michael Corvin 12-04-12 06:21 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by jdpatri (Post 11493918)
Completely fair observation. I had to trim that section down and removed a supporting statement that might have explained that point more fully. My editor decided the details weren't as important as the primary point. (I had to cut something like 600 words from the Nintendo history. Killed me to do so.)
:up: Gotcha.


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