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pinata242 06-20-11 02:21 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Taking my kids to summer camp this morning, I passed a discarded yellow-capped Pepsi bottle on the side of the road. Two years ago, I would have pulled over and got that and helped clean the earth. I miss that promotion :(

Michael Corvin 06-20-11 02:38 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
So does Mother Nature.

redbill 06-20-11 02:38 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10824392)
Taking my kids to summer camp this morning, I passed a discarded yellow-capped Pepsi bottle on the side of the road. Two years ago, I would have pulled over and got that and helped clean the earth. I miss that promotion :(
the cashier at a local burrito place I haven't been to in a while the other day asked me where I'd been. And if I was still collecting bottle caps (I had asked him to save them for me from the recycling).

Nathan A 06-20-11 05:45 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by Kedrix (Post 10823756)
If anybody was looking to buy a keyboard, they are only $39.99 (half off) at BestBuy, the stand is $14.99(madcatz, all metal). Picked up the last one for 360. Just barely had the time to get the stand together and worked through a couple of songs on Easy. It is going to take some work. It feels like it did when I played fake guitar for the first time. But I think I'll be able to get it down. The stand does help though. The whole key-tar thing would not have worked (at least not for me anyway). Nothing will replace my vocals, but hopefully I can say in a week or two that I can actually play it. (Since I'll never get down drums, but that is what my wife is for).
The BB I was at today had the keyboard on clearance - for $71.99. Which was better than my Wal-mart's clearance price of $78.00 (seriously - it even had a tag that said something like "old price - $79.99").

The stand was $14.99, though. I bought it a while ago and like it. Too bad I don't need another one.

Brooklyn 06-20-11 06:22 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by redbill (Post 10824414)
the cashier at a local burrito place I haven't been to in a while the other day asked me where I'd been. And if I was still collecting bottle caps (I had asked him to save them for me from the recycling).
I hope not the one on the corner of Moody and High. Ate there once. Never again.

redbill 06-21-11 07:00 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by Brooklyn (Post 10824731)
I hope not the one on the corner of Moody and High. Ate there once. Never again.
hah, that's the one. which would explain my 2-year hiatus.

Amator 06-21-11 09:20 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Looks like whatever Squires are on the market will be it for the foreseeable future. RBA link.

Also, some are reporting keyboards and stands 50% off at Best Buy stores.

Is this a death knell for Rock Band?

Brooklyn 06-21-11 10:05 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by redbill (Post 10825386)
hah, that's the one. which would explain my 2-year hiatus.
When I tried it, it was like that line from Beetlejuice, "I got demons runnin' all through me" :D or should that be :(

jdpatri 06-21-11 10:21 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Hmm. I had always planned to consider the Squire from afar, with very little intent to actually buy one. But I'm not quite ready to concede total ambivalence just yet. Now I might be compelled to pick one up, like I would a OOP Criterion in which I have minimal interest.

orangecrush 06-21-11 10:21 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
The keyboards for all systems are $60 at gamestop. The one I picked up for 360 was still marked $80, but rang up $60. Also, my Kmart had the keyboard bundle @ $100, so that may become a good option in the next few months.

Kedrix 06-21-11 10:25 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by Amator (Post 10825563)
Looks like whatever Squires are on the market will be it for the foreseeable future. RBA link.

Also, some are reporting keyboards and stands 50% off at Best Buy stores.

Is this a death knell for Rock Band?
Death knell is probably an overstatement. However, the whole pro guitar/real guitar experiment didn't seem to work at all and only a few of us bought into it. Keyboard is also slow at adoption and hence why we are seeing sales now. Rock Band still puts out a steady stream of dlc and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Rockband 3 didn't seem to work too well for Harmonix, but the community is large and not going away.

pinata242 06-21-11 10:29 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Pending the technology Rocksmith uses, Harmonix may end up kicking themselves for not going a route that allowed any guitar to work with the game. Forcing proprietary devices, even if they double as cheap real guitars, was a bad move.

glassdragon 06-21-11 10:33 AM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by Amator (Post 10825563)
Looks like whatever Squires are on the market will be it for the foreseeable future. RBA link.

Also, some are reporting keyboards and stands 50% off at Best Buy stores.

Is this a death knell for Rock Band?
From reading the article it actually looks like they are just going to stop making them because there are plenty at retail. No need to make more if the ones out there aren't selling right now, it's just a waste of money. And this is Fender doing this, not hmx. Fender stopping production of the guitars should have no bearing on hmx as a company.

Hokeyboy 06-21-11 12:16 PM
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Moody and High?? I'm having Brandeis flashbacks... is Outer Limits still around?

redbill 06-21-11 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10825877)
Moody and High?? I'm having Brandeis flashbacks... is Outer Limits still around?
yah, it moved up a couple blocks though.

glassdragon 06-21-11 12:47 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
The guitar is a lot different than I expected, I am thinking of selling it and just sticking with the real one I bought, maybe get rocksmith later.

Brooklyn 06-21-11 04:28 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10825877)
Moody and High?? I'm having Brandeis flashbacks... is Outer Limits still around?
Yeah, Steve is still there. Funny you mention that, I used to work there through the mid to late 80s.

Drexl 06-22-11 12:30 PM
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In case anyone wanted this for the Wii, the bundle with the RB3 game and keyboard is $39.99 in a "Shell Shocker" deal at Newegg this afternoon (3:00-5:59 Pacific).

DVD Josh 06-22-11 05:48 PM
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Although Harmonix thinks there are a tons in the retail stream, I tracked down what must be the last Squier Pro guitar in my entire region (along with the MIDI adapter). Here are my thoughts.

Some background - I've played guitar for 20 years and have played in bands for the last 10.

1) It's way too expensive.

To be fully operational, you need both the guitar and the adapter, together $320 + tax. Compare this with either the version that comes with the game or even the full sized wooden model at $70 and you are looking at a substantial investment. Consider an actual Squier is $99, $79 even and the Pro mustang is $90 at amazon, this is pretty much a huge WTF in terms of price.

2) The guitar is a piece of garbage.

I know that a Squier is an entry-level guitar, but honestly, this is even worse than that. First, the tuners don't really work very well, I couldn't even tune the guitar to concert pitch. I tried even a basic setup on it and even with that, buzz city. And one electric pickup is not great either. Plus, I have a strong suspicion the scale length is not Fender spec (it seems bigger). Not very comfortable. Plus the neck is absolutely huge, way bigger than even some of my Gibsons. I can barely play it.

3) The guitar does not track well.

Even in practice mode, slowed to 70%, certain of the correct notes, it was not tracking well. Single notes are usually okay, but add in chords and the tracking goes to hell.

4) The game teaches you notes and not technique.

As a real guitarist, I add in things like vibrato, move around the neck, slides, etc. But do this in the game and you break your streak. You have to hit things perfectly or that's it. It really doesn't feel like playing real guitar at all.

5) This may actually make real guitarists regress.

Because you have to be so hyper accurate about hitting notes, it will take you out of your comfort zone and almost force you to play like a beginner. It was very frustrating.

6) I think the standard type controls is actually more fun.

For whatever reason, I like the 5 note game better. I bought the Fender Wooden controller at the same time, which is the same size and weight as a strat, and I preferred it much more than real Pro guitar (and the plastic one too). Plus I got the red one and it's pretty darn sharp.

I haven't tried the Pro Mustang, and I might, but truth be told, for me, I like real guitar for what it is and Rock Band for what it is. Maybe for someone who wants to approximate guitar, Pro is good for that, but if you are a regular guitar player, you'll want to go in another direction.

These are just my thoughts, feel free to disagree. The Pro Squier is going back.

glassdragon 06-22-11 06:25 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by DVD Josh (Post 10827870)
Although Harmonix thinks there are a tons in the retail stream, I tracked down what must be the last Squier Pro guitar in my entire region (along with the MIDI adapter). Here are my thoughts.

Some background - I've played guitar for 20 years and have played in bands for the last 10.

1) It's way too expensive.

To be fully operational, you need both the guitar and the adapter, together $320 + tax. Compare this with either the version that comes with the game or even the full sized wooden model at $70 and you are looking at a substantial investment. Consider an actual Squier is $99, $79 even and the Pro mustang is $90 at amazon, this is pretty much a huge WTF in terms of price.

2) The guitar is a piece of garbage.

I know that a Squier is an entry-level guitar, but honestly, this is even worse than that. First, the tuners don't really work very well, I couldn't even tune the guitar to concert pitch. I tried even a basic setup on it and even with that, buzz city. And one electric pickup is not great either. Plus, I have a strong suspicion the scale length is not Fender spec (it seems bigger). Not very comfortable. Plus the neck is absolutely huge, way bigger than even some of my Gibsons. I can barely play it.

3) The guitar does not track well.

Even in practice mode, slowed to 70%, certain of the correct notes, it was not tracking well. Single notes are usually okay, but add in chords and the tracking goes to hell.

4) The game teaches you notes and not technique.

As a real guitarist, I add in things like vibrato, move around the neck, slides, etc. But do this in the game and you break your streak. You have to hit things perfectly or that's it. It really doesn't feel like playing real guitar at all.

5) This may actually make real guitarists regress.

Because you have to be so hyper accurate about hitting notes, it will take you out of your comfort zone and almost force you to play like a beginner. It was very frustrating.

6) I think the standard type controls is actually more fun.

For whatever reason, I like the 5 note game better. I bought the Fender Wooden controller at the same time, which is the same size and weight as a strat, and I preferred it much more than real Pro guitar (and the plastic one too). Plus I got the red one and it's pretty darn sharp.

I haven't tried the Pro Mustang, and I might, but truth be told, for me, I like real guitar for what it is and Rock Band for what it is. Maybe for someone who wants to approximate guitar, Pro is good for that, but if you are a regular guitar player, you'll want to go in another direction.

These are just my thoughts, feel free to disagree. The Pro Squier is going back.
I wouldn't say it's garbage. Maybe you got a bad one, I will agree that it is overpriced though. It also has a lot of the buzz/vibration you mentioned probably because of the plastic neck. It's good for what it is, although overpriced. I'm thinking of just getting rid of it and just working more on the real guitar i have. It isn't exactly what I expected it to be. I also didn't have any trouble tuning it, seemed to tune fine, but too much vibration for me.

DVD Josh 06-22-11 07:27 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by glassdragon (Post 10827904)
I wouldn't say it's garbage. Maybe you got a bad one, I will agree that it is overpriced though. It also has a lot of the buzz/vibration you mentioned probably because of the plastic neck. It's good for what it is, although overpriced. I'm thinking of just getting rid of it and just working more on the real guitar i have. It isn't exactly what I expected it to be. I also didn't have any trouble tuning it, seemed to tune fine, but too much vibration for me.
No, it's definitely a very poor quality guitar, but I'll freely admit that after 20 years, the baseline of comparison has gone up :)

You really hit on the main point of the guitar - it's good as a teaching tool and getting people interested in real guitar. As a gaming tool however, I don't find it very enjoyable.

pinata242 06-23-11 11:21 AM
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New songs this week from Chaotrope, Wargasm, &amp; more, including a special new track from Buckner &amp; Garcia called "Pac-Man Fever"! We also have five new tracks for <em>RBN</em> on PS3 coming next week!
<h4>Xbox 360 RBN releases for Thursday, 6/23/2011</h4>
<strong>Alternative</strong>
<ul class="song-list"><li>Action Action - "Masters of Puppet Rock" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>I Am Cassettes - "The Exit" (160 MSP)</li></ul>
<strong>Metal</strong>
<ul class="song-list"><li>Bonded By Blood - "Prototype Death Machine" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Chaotrope - "Diachylon" (80 MSP)</li>
<li>Destruction of a Rose - "Rise and Shine" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Destruction of a Rose - "Rise and Shine (2x Bass Pedal)" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Veil of Maya - "Namaste" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Wargasm - "Underground (2x Bass Pedal)" (160 MSP)</li></ul>
<strong>Pop/Dance/Electronic</strong>
<ul class="song-list"><li>dB Soundworks - "Betus Blues (Retro Remix)" (80 MSP)</li></ul>
<strong>Pop-Rock</strong>
<ul class="song-list"><li>Buckner &amp; Garcia - "Froggy's Lament" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Buckner &amp; Garcia - "Hyperspace" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Buckner &amp; Garcia - "Mousetrap" (160 MSP)</li>
<li>Buckner &amp; Garcia - "Pac-Man Fever" (160 MSP)</li></ul>
<h4>PS3 RBN releases for Tuesday, 6/28/2011 (Wednesday, 6/29/2011 in Europe)</h4>
<ul class="song-list"><li>Amberian Dawn - "The Curse" ($1.99) </li>
<li>Lazarus A.D. - "Thou Shall Not Fear" ($0.99)</li>
<li>Nightrage - "A Grim Struggle" ($1.99)</li>
<li>NightShade - "The Depths of Memory" ($1.99)</li>
<li>The Walkmen - "Angela Surf City" ($1.99)</li></ul>
All <em>Rock Band Network</em> tracks are available on the Xbox 360 and can be purchased through the in-game <em>Rock Band</em> Music Store. Select tracks are available on the PlayStation 3. Pricing varies. For more information about the <em>Rock Band Network</em>, please visit the <a title="Rock Band Network" href="http://www.rockband.com/rock-band-network">official </a><em><a title="Rock Band Network" href="http://www.rockband.com/rock-band-network">Rock Band Network&nbsp;</a></em><a title="Rock Band Network" href="http://www.rockband.com/rock-band-network">page</a>. To see a list of all songs available in the <em>Rock Band Network</em> Music Store, please visit the <em><a title="Rock Band Network songs" href="http://www.rockband.com/songs/finder/rbn">Rock Band Network</a></em><a title="Rock Band Network songs" href="http://www.rockband.com/songs/finder/rbn"> song page</a>.

flashburn 06-23-11 08:29 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
No Amberian Dawn?! WTF!

pinata242 06-23-11 08:29 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 10829439)
No Amberian Dawn?! WTF!
I know, right? I had to check the calendar and make sure it wasn't April 1st before I posted it.

flashburn 06-23-11 08:43 PM
Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10829441)
I know, right? I had to check the calendar and make sure it wasn't April 1st before I posted it.
I had to look for RBN release news elsewhere, to make sure you weren't denying me my Amberian Dawn.


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