DVD Talk Forum

DVD Talk Forum (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/)
-   Video Game Talk (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/video-game-talk-15/)
-   -   The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/video-game-talk/577071-official-rock-band-thread-music-game-evolution.html)

chuckd21 11-01-10 07:55 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
My main issue is not with the issues themselves, but with the silence regarding them. The RB2 export, just tell us why those songs didn't export instead of making everyone assume. And if negotiations are ongoing, just tell us to stay tuned. Something. Anything. "We know, we're working on it and doing everything we can" as generic as it is, is still better than "..."

I just hold Harmonix in such high regard. They've made my favorite video game series of all time. So I guess I expect them to be better than the other companies who do this silent treatment too. I'm not mad at them, nor do I hate the game. It's just that if they're going to clamor for us to follow them on Facebook and Twitter and their forums, they should, you know... use them.

chuckd21 11-01-10 07:58 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10466646)
Please tell me you're being sarcastic, because the folks on this board today are seriously making my brain crack.

This is clearly not making any sense to me, and everyone would rather scream you're wrong then try to explain how it negatively impacts their leaderboard scores if they don't use the "No Fail" mode.

I was with you at first, but here's how I'm seeing it now. Using my recent failure at Free Bird on Hard for example... I was spot on until about 70% into the song, where the tougher part of the solo kicked my ass and I failed out. Failing on hard in that particular solo means I missed about 16 notes or so. So I turned on No Fail, played through the song, and still missed the notes I missed before. Points-wise though, my score wouldn't be all that different than someone who made it through that solo by the skin of their teeth.

Nesbit 11-01-10 07:59 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10466646)
This is clearly not making any sense to me, and everyone would rather scream you're wrong then try to explain how it negatively impacts their leaderboard scores if they don't use the "No Fail" mode.

K I don't really care about the leaderboard but here's me explanation.

There is a song with 5 Sections, A B C D and E

Sections A, B, C, and E are EASY

Section D is hard

Now we have Player 1 (no fail off) and Player 2 (no fail on)

Player 1 gets 90% on all parts.

Player 2 gets 99% on parts A, B, C, and E.

Player 2 only gets 80% on part D and would have failed out of the song but now he ends up better than Player 1 even though he would have failed out if he didn't have no fail on.

That help at all or is it overly complicated?

superfro 11-01-10 08:05 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by Nesbit (Post 10466672)
K I don't really care about the leaderboard but here's me explanation.

There is a song with 5 Sections, A B C D and E

Sections A, B, C, and E are EASY

Section D is hard

Now we have Player 1 (no fail off) and Player 2 (no fail on)

Player 1 gets 90% on all parts.

Player 2 gets 99% on parts A, B, C, and E.

Player 2 only gets 80% on part D and would have failed out of the song but now he ends up better than Player 1 even though he would have failed out if he didn't have no fail on.

That help at all or is it overly complicated?

No..I understand the theory...but I guess IMO, using your example, if Player 1 can get through this hard solo without failing, then he's not going to have the problems on Parts A, B, C and E. Why can Player 1 do no better in the Easy sections then he can in the Hard section? I think that's unrealistic and that's what I have a hard time understanding.

For instance, someone play an Expert drum track. The hardest song you can play and finish without failing. Then I'll play that song with NO FAIL on, and we'll see how those scores match up. Hint - You're gonna beat the shit out of me scorewise.

flashburn 11-01-10 08:08 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Just because one person is good at Part A and bad at Part B, doesn't mean another person won't be bad at Part A and good at Part B.

superfro 11-01-10 08:10 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 10466696)
Just because one person is good at Part A and bad at Part B, doesn't mean another person won't be bad at Part A and good at Part B.

So there are a lot of folks that can nail difficult solos with hundreds of hammer-ons and such and can't do the parts in between? Like some kind of Rock Band idiot savant?

Drexl 11-01-10 08:12 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
I'd like the ability to give a vocalist a guitar. I don't mean if you are actually playing guitar and singing at the same time (although it would be used in that case as well). Many bands have singers that play some guitar, even if it's just a minor rhythm part, and it doesn't look right to always have the vocalist being a singer only. Obviously this has been done in the artist-specific games like the Beatles and Green Day, but I'd like to see it in the core game as well.

I'm not saying you would have to play a guitar part to do this either. It's just a cosmetic thing. Also, allow us to choose a frequency like: always, usually, sometimes, rarely for how often the guitar is there.

flashburn 11-01-10 08:13 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10466700)
So there are a lot of folks that can nail difficult solos with hundreds of hammer-ons and such and can't do the parts in between? Like some kind of Rock Band idiot savant?

Geez you really need this spelled out don't you?

Is there a set limit of only ONE difficult part in a song? There are different types of patterns that might screw up some people. For some things that one finds easy another might find difficult and vice versa.

porieux 11-01-10 08:20 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10466700)
So there are a lot of folks that can nail difficult solos with hundreds of hammer-ons and such and can't do the parts in between? Like some kind of Rock Band idiot savant?

You are oversimplifying again. The answers have already been given to you if you will read and try to understand them.

The bottom line is that the struggle of passing a song to even get on the leaderboard is part of the accomplishment, and that has been taken away, diluting the overall value of the results in the process.

superfro 11-01-10 08:29 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by porieux (Post 10466728)
You are oversimplifying again. The answers have already been given to you if you will read and try to understand them.

The bottom line is that the struggle of passing a song to even get on the leaderboard is part of the accomplishment, and that has been taken away, diluting the overall value of the results in the process.

I guess my bottom line is I don't have to try to understand it from the other side at this point. It works the way it does, and I'm all for it and it makes sense to me, so I should probably just not speak on it any further. But thanks to everyone for trying.

Supermallet 11-01-10 08:31 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by Liver&Onions (Post 10466288)
I bought the stage kit full price :( That sucks my ass.

If you bought a stage kit willing to suck your ass for you, I'd say you got your money's worth.

Imprint 11-01-10 08:39 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
50 bucks. Same as downtown.

Mad Dawg 11-01-10 09:44 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10466576)
We're not allowed to have opinions and disappointments to go along with the awesome?

Sure, and I agree with a lot of the comments, although I don't think they harm the game as much as some. It just turned into a big page or two of ventfest all of a sudden, combined with the No Fail Follies, and it caught me off guard.

Liver&Onions 11-01-10 09:50 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10466748)
If you bought a stage kit willing to suck your ass for you, I'd say you got your money's worth.

If it wasn't for the implied sentence completion with the frowny face, that would've been the case. But alas, it was not.

pinata242 11-01-10 09:52 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10466700)
So there are a lot of folks that can nail difficult solos with hundreds of hammer-ons and such and can't do the parts in between? Like some kind of Rock Band idiot savant?

Yes, I think so. Even so, some people rock the tiny buttons on solos so, yes, it's certainly possible they're better at finger-tapping than alt-strumming and vice versa with someone else.

Does it make much difference? No, not in the slightest.

And, yes, I was being sarcastic.

superfro 11-01-10 10:34 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10466987)
And, yes, I was being sarcastic.

Thank christ. :lol:

UncleGramps 11-01-10 10:47 PM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I'm finding a lot more in Rock Band 3 to be happy about than I am finding things to complain about. The RB2 import worked for me the first night, I don't care about a few missing songs, and I never bought a stage kit. I like the bulk of the on-disc setlist, the pro drums, the keyboards, the ability to rate songs and prevent them from coming up in random setlists, and the goals that you work toward regardless of what mode you're playing. I'm finding the overall experience to be a lot of fun.

FatTony 11-02-10 12:23 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
^ Agreed. All of my gripes feel like they're really nitpicky, and ultimately this is the game of the year for me. I'll be honest, I don't get the big deal with the No Fail/leaderboards thing. The leaderboards are solely score-based right, so if someone can't keep a streak going, they aren't going to stand a chance. But whatever, I don't actually care that much about it. I think they should someday do away with the concept of failing and allow you to get 1-2 stars.

superfro 11-02-10 12:31 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by FatTony (Post 10467210)
The leaderboards are solely score-based right, so if someone can't keep a streak going, they aren't going to stand a chance.

Turn back now!!!!! ;)

I still have a problem with the changes to the note path, the shrinking of the gems, and the overall difficulty for late tier Expert guitar, but as far as setup goes I really enjoy the Road Challenges/Goals. I missed the standard career at first, but being able to have my wife sign in and play things at her pace and still have it count toward her "career" is just too awesome. It's super convenient, and that's something the game really needed. Also the management it does of the goals and the ability to go to smart lists based on those goals is damn slick. The keyboard is really intimidating, but I'm trying to keep at it. Pro drums are a goddamn siren song and I see a holiday upgrade to the proper drum kit happening. (Anybody know any deals?)

Although there is one problem. In a move nobody saw coming, most especially me, I still don't have the Dave Grohl achievement. :lol: WTF?

glassdragon 11-02-10 01:34 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
I love RB3 honestly. I have never tried vocals as I thought that i was bad, but tonight i got the hang of it and finished all the easy vocal challenges except for the 5 star on every song, but that's another day. Turns out I'm not as bad as I thought lol. Oh and for anyone who did the RB1 import, if you go to medium vocals there is a challenge to play 4 songs from RB1, you can even do easy vocals on them, easy 4 million fans or so

And here's a question. I tried plugging the usb mic into one of the dongles and the system didn't recognize it until I plugged it directly into the ps3. How am I supposed to get 2 mics, and still have room for the dongles if I only have 2 usb ports and the mic doesn't work hooked up through one of those?

porieux 11-02-10 04:13 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Just ordered the Mustang, hope to get it by the end of the week. Can't wait!

BTW though I was discussing my thoughts on no-fail and the leaderboards, don't get me wrong. It doesn't ruin the game for me at all, I just think it was a bad decision. It's still a great game.

A-aron 11-02-10 07:24 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
anyone else getting locked up when trying to play the Dandy Warhols demo? I could play it, then it asks me if I want to buy the full version, but I can not get off this menu box, and can only press the xbox symbol on the controller and go back to the dashboard.

flashburn 11-02-10 07:31 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 

Originally Posted by porieux (Post 10467303)
Just ordered the Mustang, hope to get it by the end of the week. Can't wait!

BTW though I was discussing my thoughts on no-fail and the leaderboards, don't get me wrong. It doesn't ruin the game for me at all, I just think it was a bad decision. It's still a great game.

Where'd you order it from that actually has it in stock? Best I've seen are shipping estimates for Friday. Since Provantage was so much cheaper I don't mind waiting a bit, but if there is another place that is also cheap but in stock, that'd be nice.

edit: Nevermind it looks like MadCatz is now showing it as in stock. Hopefully that means mine will ship this week too.

Shagrath 11-02-10 08:09 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
Here's a couple pictures from our RB3 Halloween party. Unfortunately, there weren't a whole lot of people dressed up, which kinda sucked. There were probably more than 50 people there throughout the day, as we held the event from 1PM-9PM (with 0 loading crate crashes!). There were probably a couple times during the day when we had 30 people there at once, which was pretty awesome. Once it got going, people just started requesting songs they wanted to play and it quickly got out of hand. I got relegated to basically being the DJ and setting up a list of requests on my laptop and picking all the songs throughout the thing.

Here's a couple of the pictures I took that turned out semi-decent. My camera is a bit of a POS.



It was pretty great. Especially after people started getting into it and realizing that the instruments were wireless and they could move around the venue rather than just stand right next to the TVs. Some highlights were:

Me and this super metal kid both doing vocals on Hammer Smashed Face.

A full choir of like 10-15 people doing vocals for Push Push (Lady Lightning).

These two kids really too excited to play Gay Bar, but had a really good time.

Me, the metal kid, and his friend dressed up like Ozzy doing Emperor's Curse You All Men!

The 10 pizzas we bought being devoured in a matter of minutes!

These four people that came in near the end of the event that had never really played before and were having a fucking blast on Easy!


I hope that some of the new people that don't normally come to our monthly events start showing up. We've got 70ish people on our Facebook group now, which is a couple higher than it was yesterday morning, so those are good signs.

cartman 11-02-10 08:38 AM

Re: The Official Rock Band Thread of Music Game Evolution
 
What's the facebook page?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:59 AM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.