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pinata242 05-09-11 08:16 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
So, here's a PR from Anonymous basically saying "It wasn't us, stop blaming us, maybe it's all a lie. Oh, and we're coming for you."

http://pastehtml.com/view/1eejiqj.html


"SONY, I AM DISAPPOINT"
For Immediate Distribution
Press Release
May 7th, 2011
A 'HiveMind Effort' from
Anonymous Holdings LLC (Bermuda)


Yesterday, an article appeared in Financial Times, alleging Anonymous' involvement in the data and identity theft of some hundred million users of Sony's Playstation Network and Sony Online Entertainment. This crime is now being investigated by the Homeland Security Agency (HSA), the Department of Justice (DOJ), and other legal entities.

Once again Anonymous has been blamed for a security breach, this time by the journalist Joseph Menn, in his article "Hackers point finger over Sony incursion" [1]. Here, Anonymous wishes to lay out our case against these allegations and false assumptions:

First, let us consider a different article by Menn published on the Financial Times website and entitled "Hackers Warned of Arrest" [2]. This poor piece of journalism has already been extensively referenced in the Sony matter and is being used by many people who oppose Anonymous as proof of guilt. The only quoted source used by Menn was the now infamous Aaron Barr, former CEO of the humiliated HBGary. Barr made the claim that a chat room called #anonymous, founded by the identity "Q", was irrefutable proof that this "Q" began the movement known as Anonymous. Confident in his assertion, he attempted to sell this and other pieces of so-called "intelligence" about the nature of Anonymous to the U.S. FBI.

His information, however, was incorrect. It would be considered common knowledge that Anonymous began as a "meme", or shared belief, at the turn of the century and later developed to become a "global collective conscience" in 2006. But it was not until 2008 that Anonymous became a true display of "power in numbers". Organised protests against the "Church" of Scientology were staged in over 140 cities around the world, forever associating the Guy Fawkes mask and the right to protest with the movement.

Second, just like Anonymous, John Doe and Joe Bloggs are placeholders, rather than proper names, and are available for free use without repercussions. However because of this, there is no membership to Anonymous and anyone can claim to be a "member". It could be said that "Anonymous is anonymous to Anonymous".

Barr and Menn did not pause to protect the integrity of their professions, but instead made clearly misinformed assumptions, and accordingly published a factually incorrect article. The article was highly scrutinized as being blatantly biased against Anonymous and its participants, and many readers pointed out obvious inconsistencies in the technicalities, and the physical time line.

Third, in the primary article, Menn claims that a "member" of Anonymous, Kayla, made comments as an apparent admission of guilt from the "leaders". Kayla reportedly said, "If you say you are Anonymous, and do something as Anonymous, then Anonymous did it". This statement is inherently weak; an equivalent statement would be that "I confess to being human. Humans performed the attack". Andy Greenburg at Forbes [3] got it right.

Finally, Menn's reference to "technical details" [1] regarding a vulnerability in Sony's network without revealing actual content isn't useful. Until the forensics reports are released we don't know which exploit was used. The forensic investigators need to conclude their work, and speculation in articles, blogs and comments brings the factual results no closer.

Menn's anonymous source claims that "a few ops disappeared" but so has a solid chunk of software infrastructure including NickServ and channel bots over attacks during the PSN outages. Menn's other quotes are a vague mixture of assertions and denials. During the PSN downtime, Anonymous closed #opsony and put "sony" on the automatic kick list as 'profanity' last week.

Is all of this attention on Anonymous acting as a distraction from other problems, and overhyping the nature of the DDoS attacks? Sony's recurring issues are beyond providing free game credits:

In order to process credit cards, every company needs to be PCI compliant. "If you are a merchant that accepts payment cards, you are required to be compliant with the PCI Data Security Standard" [4]. Since Sony's network was "unpatched and had no firewall installed" [5], that is a clear violation of the PCI standards and ongoing reviews [4], thus likely to be criminal negligence [see Further Reading]. More importantly, "I can't think of a major data breach where the company was PCI compliant," said Ira Rothken, the lead attorney handling the class action lawsuit [6].

Sony has been accused of false billing, especially in the repairs department: customers who provided credit card details for an MMORPG are charged $150 for repairs to PS3s that they don't own; repairs are double billed and then referred to retailers; equipment is charged $150 multiple times (2-4) for repairs that aren't performed. [7 and Further Reading]

A decent credit card transaction gateway includes recurring billing as an option. Data mining by corporations has a profit motive, but as Sony has demonstrated it can be a massive liability. Why not start a discussion about corporate responsibility to protect user information, especially since they didn't need it to begin with?

Sony's response to the U.S. Senate [8] is to request more laws and further the myth of "best practices." Since Sony was warned of security holes months in advance [5], one of those "best practices" would be to accept the advice of the experts. In Sony's passing the blame there is no justification for the collection and retention of personal information they didn't need.

Outraged about the blatant coverup and shameful misdeeds, other internet hacker groups will apparently proceed with attacks [9] over Sony's mishandling of the matter. These reactions prove that requesting legislation to cover up corporate crimes and the abuse of law is frowned upon by all online communities, not just the Legion of Anonymous. Apparently Sony will have to learn the hard way that corporate malfeasance will not go unpunished. When the dust settles Sony may have more to fear from a massive class action lawsuit by their user base than the brief actions of the Global Hacker Nerd Brigade, Anonymous... Let THE GAMEs begin. :>

Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.

Michael Corvin 05-09-11 08:24 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 10762847)
I'm curious to see how (or if) this affects Brink sales.

This is gonna screw with more than just Brink sales. The whole service is down, right? No PSN sales, no Netflix, no Hulu or MLB. No online/Steam for Portal. What a clusterfuck.

MoviePage 05-09-11 08:36 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10762864)
This is gonna screw with more than just Brink sales. The whole service is down, right? No PSN sales, no Netflix, no Hulu or MLB. No online/Steam for Portal. What a clusterfuck.

Of course, but I was referring to Brink being the biggest multiplayer-oriented retail release since it became clear that PSN might be down for a significant amount of time yet (unless I'm forgetting a title?). Specifically, I was curious if there might be a gigantic gap between sales for the game on PS3 vs. 360 because of this.

I agree that that this situation in general can't be described as anything other than disastrous at this point.

Decker 05-09-11 08:49 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
It seems Brink may have other issues affecting sales. I'm curious to see what the sales of the PS3-exclusive online multiplayer-focused SOCOM 4 are like. I bet they're terrible.

I see what you're saying about a sales gap of Brink between the systems though. Can you imagine the embarrassment of having the PSN still down during E3? That would be pretty disastrous.

foxdvd 05-09-11 08:54 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
The latest pre-order chart for America will be out today from vgchartz, but the last update showed the xbox version of Brink pulling away from the ps3 version...40,000 copies of xbox versions that week vs 8,000 ps3...even with the xbox versions of games usually doing better in America (and ps3 doing better WW) that is bad....(total American pre-orders 200,000 xbox vs 60,000 ps3...with 100,000 of the xbox version the last two weeks...and the ps3 version only selling 12,000...you can see that they are pulling away from each other)

The real damage is going to be sales Tuesday, with people holding off until the network is up, and maybe even not picking up pre-orders from Gamestop...

They just better have all this shit worked out before Uncharted 3 gets here....

foxdvd 05-09-11 08:57 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 10762902)
It seems Brink may have other issues affecting sales. I'm curious to see what the sales of the PS3-exclusive online multiplayer-focused SOCOM 4 are like. I bet they're terrible.

I see what you're saying about a sales gap of Brink between the systems though. Can you imagine the embarrassment of having the PSN still down during E3? That would be pretty disastrous.

273,000 copies worldwide...whats bad is how much it dropped off week 2...

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales...us-navy-seals/

Michael Corvin 05-09-11 09:08 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 10762914)
The real damage is going to be sales Tuesday, with people holding off until the network is up, and maybe even not picking up pre-orders from Gamestop...

Not to mention, outside of Nintendo franchises, games are quickly mimicking the movie industry. If you miss the boat in the first 7-14 days, might as well wait on a price drop or just skip the game altogether as another decent one is right around the corner.

jdpatri 05-09-11 09:48 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10762864)
This is gonna screw with more than just Brink sales. The whole service is down, right? No PSN sales, no Netflix, no Hulu or MLB. No online/Steam for Portal. What a clusterfuck.

You can still watch Netflix and MLB. I don't know about Hulu.

pinata242 05-09-11 09:52 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
Do you know the kind of bandwidth that is required for Netflix and MLB? Of course it's not on PSN.

neilo13 05-09-11 10:21 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by jdpatri (Post 10762987)
You can still watch Netflix and MLB. I don't know about Hulu.

I couldn't watch netflix on the PS3, it required me to log into PSN. Is there a way around this?

UncleGramps 05-09-11 10:28 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
On one hand, it makes me happy to know that Sony will be losing sales over the coming weeks. (Yes, I am a dick.) But I do feel bad for the developers caught in the crossfire. They did nothing wrong.

Cardiff Giant11 05-09-11 10:57 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by neilo13 (Post 10763039)
I couldn't watch netflix on the PS3, it required me to log into PSN. Is there a way around this?

Just keep trying to login and then eventually the netflix interface will come up, just hit circle and go. I've been watching old Top Gears for weeks with no problem.

mhg83 05-09-11 10:59 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
We may start seeing third party dev. Moving towards xbla only. Sony's gonna lose a ton of money over all this.

Decker 05-09-11 11:11 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
Hey, I just got this shirt in the mail this morning. The note inside tells me to "Wear It Proud". So I guess that pretty much squares everything between me and Sony. :up:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.c...gbadbob113.jpg

jdpatri 05-09-11 11:19 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 10763133)
Hey, I just got this shirt in the mail this morning. The note inside tells me to "Wear It Proud". So I guess that pretty much squares everything between me and Sony. :up:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.c...gbadbob113.jpg

Yeah I got mine too.

Do we know what it actually says? I don't want to randomly get punched in the face by a Japanese dude.

chuckd21 05-09-11 11:23 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
I haven't really chimed in on this yet, but after thinking about it for more than a week, I'm probably going to ditch my PS3 and just get a stand alone Blu Ray player. The more I read about the situation, the more infuriating it gets.

Groucho 05-09-11 11:27 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 10763154)
I haven't really chimed in on this yet, but after thinking about it for more than a week, I'm probably going to ditch my PS3 and just get a stand alone Blu Ray player. The more I read about the situation, the more infuriating it gets.

you are m$ fanboy

chuckd21 05-09-11 11:28 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10763160)
you are m$ fanboy

True. But still...

Dan 05-09-11 11:30 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by UncleGramps (Post 10763056)
But I do feel bad for the developers caught in the crossfire. They did nothing wrong.

I wonder if any of them will try to sue Sony as well. Sony's negligence is causing them lost profits, so they could have a case. If customers are suing Sony, I imagine developers could as well.

UncleGramps 05-09-11 11:45 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 10763154)
I haven't really chimed in on this yet, but after thinking about it for more than a week, I'm probably going to ditch my PS3 and just get a stand alone Blu Ray player. The more I read about the situation, the more infuriating it gets.

If I didn't have a sizable library of downloadable PSN games, and a significantly less sizable library of disc-based PS3 games, I might do the same. Uncharted 3 is the only PS3 exclusive on the horizon that I care about, and I'm still trying to figure out how I can shun Sony but still give Naughty Dog their due.

redbill 05-09-11 11:58 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 
What they should do it discount all PSN content by 30% (or whatever their cut is) for a month or so, and funnel all the income to the developers.

Decker 05-09-11 11:59 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by jdpatri (Post 10763145)

Do we know what it actually says? I don't want to randomly get punched in the face by a Japanese dude.

I believe it roughly translates as "80710A06"

fujishig 05-09-11 11:59 AM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by jdpatri (Post 10763145)
Yeah I got mine too.

Do we know what it actually says? I don't want to randomly get punched in the face by a Japanese dude.

It says "Playstation" in katakana. At least I think it does, does the first character have a little circle by it? Otherwise, it says "Furaisuteeshion" which is similar enough to "frustration" to be funny. Note that either way, you may be punched in the face.

Where'd the shirt come from?

I'm sure 3rd party developers are going to jump at the chance to be included in future PS + discounts, making my extended sub all the more worth it.

Decker 05-09-11 12:17 PM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 10763208)
It says "Playstation" in katakana. At least I think it does, does the first character have a little circle by it? Otherwise, it says "Furaisuteeshion" which is similar enough to "frustration" to be funny. Note that either way, you may be punched in the face.

Where'd the shirt come from?

I'm sure 3rd party developers are going to jump at the chance to be included in future PS + discounts, making my extended sub all the more worth it.

Yeah, the first character almost looks like a stylized 7 degree with that little circle above and to the right of it. The shirt was a gift to those who participated in the Playstation Rewards program and made it to at least the first rewards true.

Michael Corvin 05-09-11 12:19 PM

Re: The Official PS3 thread - Encryption? We don't need no stinkin' encryption.
 

Originally Posted by chuckd21 (Post 10763154)
I haven't really chimed in on this yet, but after thinking about it for more than a week, I'm probably going to ditch my PS3 and just get a stand alone Blu Ray player. The more I read about the situation, the more infuriating it gets.

:lol: That's exactly where I was at when my PS3 died right before this happened. I don't have a huge library of games so I bought a stand alone instead of fixing the PS3.

I may pay to have it fixed down the line, but I'm in no rush. I do want to play Uncharted 3 at some point though.


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