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that woman sounds like a ****...I know she got screwed when it came to them not locking the account right away, but she will end up getting her money back...

that is not why she is a **** though....she writes

"When I have a large quantity of money stolen from me, money that is meant to be paying for food for my 1yr old disabled son"

...really? So because her son is disabled it makes her being ripped off any different than a single mom with a healthy 1 year old? How about one with 5 kids? Or one with 10 disabled kids? Why can she not just put that it was meant for her family? Why does she need to drag in they disabled/sick/old card?

Because she is use to people feeling sorry for her.

C is for CRACK
U is for UGLY
N is for NUT
T is for TRAMP

ok...I could have done better with that one...lol...

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Why even bring the subject of kids up at all? Is someone that has kids (disabled or otherwise) a better or higher priority than someone in this situation that can't or chooses not to have children?

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I think Fox covered quite clearly why she brought up that her kid was disabled :P

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Not to be a complete and utter ass, but if you are having trouble coming up with money to feed your kid, how about getting rid of uneccessary extravagances, like an Xbox360 with a Gold account. Even if received as a gift, I am sure you could get something for it if it means getting food for you and your child.

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I don't watch television. I can imagine though.

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:rimshot:

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I just removed my credit card on file based on those stories.

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I haven't been able to get to Xbox.com in a couple days - anyone else having trouble? Can I do it from the console? I had to add mine to set up my boy's account and would like to remove it.

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Try clearing your (at least Xbox.com) cookies.

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Yeah, xbox.com is down for me right now.

I want to remove my credit card but it won't let me. I'm in the middle of those $1 month deals from last summer. I guess I can't remove it until those are done and my next 12 month kicks in.

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Not sure if clearing cookies fixed it, but after clearing them, I can get to the site and view my profile. Turns out the CC when creating a child account is only for verification, there is no CC on my account.
I had been clearing my cache and history and the other security things but I hadn't cleared cookies in a while.
Thanks. (I was also having trouble browsing for stuff to download, so even if there was no CC, the effort was not in vain.)

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It happens from time to time.

If there's one thing MS understands well, it's efficient cache management.

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Well the XboxLive gods are obviously displeased with this comment I made.

Immediately after this post I did a routine email check. Uh-oh. Email from windows live saying an alternate email has been added to my account. Obviously not mine, so I refuse the addition, and go to windows live to remove the email address (which ended in .qq?) and change my password.

Next go to xboxlive.com to login and check. Uh-oh. Previous 4680 points are dwindled to 30!! Go to purchases list. Uh-oh. Today an xbox live gold family pack and some FIFA crap was purchased on my account. Not by me.

Call xboxlive and they start a fraud investigation. Have to lock my account so it is not accessable for the next 3-6 weeks. They say at that time the points will be refunded and I will get my account back with the family pack removed. They said the scam is that the thief adds a family pack and himself as the new account. Then they buy stuff and/or transfer points on the new account, then sell the account to someone else. The funny thing is that after he bought the gold pack and the two FIFA packs all that was left was 30 points. No credit card on file. No paypal. Seems like a lot of work and risk for two fucking FIFA packs.

Could be worse. At least I didn't have a credit card or paypal account tied to the account. Only points from points cards. I STRONGLY SUGGEST that you remove any credit card tied to PSN or Live accounts and use prepaid cards only. Just not worth the hassle. Weird that this happened one day after reading that article on the women who had the same thing happen to her account. Or maybe it is more common than I realize.

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I have to admit, I rotfl

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I just removed mine from live. It's funny though that this thing isn't all that publicized but the psn one had everyone in a tizzy. I don't recall any real numbers or account stolen on psn, but it's happening all the damn time here on live.

Regardless, neither are ever getting my cc.

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so my question is how did they get your password? What are they using? Did you happen to have a shorter password?

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That's because PSN being out for weeks, and the potential for CC theft affected millions upon millions of users. Hackers stealing CC info on Live is a much smaller pool of people affected. Hundreds? Thousands?

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I am reading a bunch of articles about how they are exploiting xbox.com...and using brute force to get passwords...makes sense but then I read of people who have 16 digit long passwords...and I just don't see how anyone can brute force a password of that length...

Unless the people are lying about how long their password is just to mess with everyone...there is a major flaw we don't know about yet...

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My password is 11 characters. Combination of letters and numbers. I'm not worried. The worst that happens is a false charge shows up on my credit card. I call Capitol One and they take it off. No worries.

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This article shows a possible avenue of attack the hackers may be using:
http://www.analoghype.com/video-game...red-the-truth/

Basically, it involves the website login process for an xbox ID. It has two flaws:
1) The login page actually states whether an email address has an account or not if you attempt to login with it.
2) The CAPTCHA that pops up after 8 login attempts (intended to stop automated hacking attempts) has an easy workaround.

Part of this hinges on knowing your email address, which people could potentially look up via your gamertag, either because your gamertag is the same as your email address username on a popular service, or some webpage out there links your gamertag and email address. Once they know your email address, they can check to see if you have a Windows Live ID tied to it, and start brute forcing the password.


Also, not mentioned in the article, but it seems like a lot of the reported hacks involve the hackers exploiting the Xbox Live Family Pack, where they can associate another gamertag and drain your account. I'm guessing that hacking Xbox accounts has picked up steam since the Family Pack was launched last year.

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I haven't heard of anyone from that attack actually having their CC stolen. This one here is happening every day and actually costing people money. It shouldn't be about the amount of people it happens to. If even 1 person is having it happen then it could be an issue somewhere, in this case xbox.com and it should be fixed. I've been hearing about this going on for months and it has yet to be fixed. That should be news.

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BTW, I should mention that I've had the reverse happen to me recently: Microsoft locked out purchases on my account after I tried to purchase points with my credit card.

I just got my Xbox 360 shortly before Christmas. I bought 1600 points 12/28 by attaching my MC to the account, then on 1/3 I wanted to buy about 2400 more. So I bought another 1600 points, and tried to buy 800 points right after, and Xbox said there was a problem with my card. I tried to add another card, a Visa, and it said my number was incorrect, although it was correct and I tried multiple times (my Visa card company actually called me to let me know that MS had put in charge attempts, even though the site was telling me the number was wrong). I attached Paypal successfully, but then it gave the same payment error.

I started online chat with MS, which wasn't helpful; they couldn't see anything wrong with my account and told me the problem was with my payment methods (all 3 of them?). Later I called and the CSR rep mentioned that trying to purchase too many point packages in a short timespan may have triggered their fraud alert, and that I should wait 24 hours before trying to purchase anymore points. Too bad nothing on the site indicated this to me.

So MS does attempt to stop fraud, but users can end up getting screwed by that as well. ;)

I've since removed all my payment methods.

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Hindsight. At the time though, millions upon millions of people were at risk. Sure it's happening on Live, but it's a user here, a user there, oh another one here. It's not frequent enough to warrant major headlines, yet.

I was merely pointing out that comparing this to PSN isn't apples-to-apples. It's not like someone at MS fell asleep at the wheel, allowing hackers access to the entire user base like PSN which lead to the entire service being down for a month. They are targeting specific accounts one at a time.

I do agree that something should be done before this does hit RROD proportions. Personally, I say fuck soccer and just render the Fifa disc inoperable when it's put into a console. Offer replacements with the security issue fixed or discounts on next year's iteration.

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From what I've read, FIFA isn't the source of the hacks. It looks like the hackers are using the compromised accounts to buy FIFA content simply because FIFA is extremely popular worldwide.

http://kotaku.com/5858538/xbox-lives...says-microsoft

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Good read in that link.

I'm still scared.

My windows live id is an email address that doesn't exist anymore.
My gamertag is not related or similar to that email address.
My credit card on file was canceled last year.
I try to have 1000 or less points and only add more points when needed.

Still scared.