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Kedrix 06-30-10 01:56 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10238388)
Close thread.


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10238417)
+1

+2. Good lord this thing sounds f'ing terrible. I love the 360, honestly but it better come nowhere near my copy of Fable III (or be purely optional). I play video games to relax after a hard day of work, period. If I wanted exercise, I would go mow the lawn...with a pair of scissors.

TheMadMonk 06-30-10 02:08 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
I'm still waiting for Microsoft to come out and admit the whole Natal/Kinect thing has just been a practical joke to trick Sony into spending R&D money on their own motion control system.

But sadly, it looks like this overpriced thing and its really stupid games is actually going to come out. :(

Rob V 06-30-10 02:26 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
It'll be $50 by Black Friday... I'm not sure I'd even bite at that price.

pinata242 06-30-10 02:31 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Kinect launches November 4th, 2010. Black Friday would be November 26th, 2010.

You're expecting a 67% sale/clearance within 3 weeks?

superfro 06-30-10 03:03 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10240856)
Kinect launches November 4th, 2010. Black Friday would be November 26th, 2010.

You're expecting a 67% sale/clearance within 3 weeks?

I'm sure it won't even be $50 by NEXT Black Friday. They're going to dig in with this, especially once it's packaged with units.

pinata242 06-30-10 03:07 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
It has to have a pack-in game or two, doesn't it? I mean, it has to!

I'd be more interested if it includes at least 2 of the following:
Kinectimals
Adventures
Sports
Joy Ride

They're all just tech demos anyway and I just can't imagine a world where Microsoft is so out-of-touch, they'd release this at $150 for hardware alone.

Rob V 07-01-10 07:21 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10240856)
Kinect launches November 4th, 2010. Black Friday would be November 26th, 2010.

You're expecting a 67% sale/clearance within 3 weeks?

Yes, yes I am.

Ok, probably not... I didn't realize that it launched on Nov 4th... that said, I don't think it will take long for MS to realize they've completely screwed the pooch on this thing and drop it to $100 by 2nd quarter 2011 and it'll be on clearance by Black Friday 2011.

LosingMyMind 07-08-10 10:50 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
*Sigh* Is it November yet? I'm really looking forward to passing this one up :P

pinata242 07-13-10 10:50 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Wal-Mart is offering pre-order bundles already: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Project-Na...x-360/14665155

$199 for the hardware, game of your choice (including Dance Central), and a $30 eGift Card.

Certainly a lot better than picking up the hardware and game for the assumed $210.

Raul3 07-13-10 12:36 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
They are going to have Kinect demos in a Macy's near me, so I'm planning on checking it out this Friday.

pinata242 07-20-10 11:19 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
According to Major Nelson, the hardware is bundled with Kinect Adventures for the $150 price: http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/...ay-bundle.aspx

UncleGramps 07-20-10 01:41 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
They need to either cut the price $50 or swap out Adventures and swap in Dance Central. Unless someone is really nice to me around Christmas time, I'll be waiting for a price drop.

Bob_Bobbson 07-20-10 02:28 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Here's Microsoft's reasoning behind the pricing.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...ricing_new.jpg

I wasn't aware that Wii Fit was needed to experience motion controls on the Wii.

Decker 07-20-10 02:46 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by Bob_Bobbson (Post 10276532)
Here's Microsoft's reasoning behind the pricing.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...ricing_new.jpg

I wasn't aware that Wii Fit was needed to experience motion controls on the Wii.

Sony or Nintendo should come out with a new chart showing how much it would cost for three people to play a motion-sensing game together!

Decker 07-20-10 06:50 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
I love this quote from IGN:

Aaron Greenberg, Director of Product Management of Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, explained the pricing and bundle choices to IGN during a pre-announcement news briefing.

"We don't really make pricing decisions without doing a lot of research. We talked with thousands of consumers across a whole variety of audience segments, on a global scale. What we heard was that when people look at what they get with the Kinect sensor -- all the experiences it enables across entertainment, movies, music, using your voice to access your entertainment, your gestures navigating the dash, etc. plus all of the games coming to market -- our research shows that at $149 consumers feel like it's a great value for existing owners. And then for new buyers, the $299 bundle is extremely compelling."


Really? You did research with 360 owners who felt $150 for a camera peripheral is a "great value"? I sort of doubt that. Besides that phrasing is, in itself, qualified praise -- they didn't think it was a great price, but with all they get, with all it can do, with what it'll enable in the future... Somehow they got their subjects to eventually agree with the price. And even that I don't believe.

orangecrush 07-20-10 07:21 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by Bob_Bobbson (Post 10276532)
Here's Microsoft's reasoning behind the pricing.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...ricing_new.jpg

I wasn't aware that Wii Fit was needed to experience motion controls on the Wii.

So, for $60 more, I get 2 really good games +1 kinda ok game vs. 1 kinda OK game?

UncleGramps 07-21-10 12:09 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
All of this spin from Microsoft is making me dizzy! The math...it's...it's...just too fuzzy...

redbill 07-21-10 06:43 AM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
but it says KINECT twice, so it must be twice as good.

Decker 08-01-10 09:55 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Pretty scathing preview of Kinect in its current state by IGN UK.

Spoiler:
Can Kinect Compete?
We see how Microsoft's motion controller shapes up against the opposition
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UK, July 30, 2010
by Tom Butler



Now that Microsoft has finally planted its flag in the sand by releasing the pricing of Kinect, we were keen to find out what it had to offer for £129.99. This coming festive season will be a keenly fought battle of the motion sensors, but how does Kinect compare to Move and Wii?

With a hint of festive anachronism, Microsoft held its Christmas Showcase at the Saatchi Gallery on a stifling mid-July morning to show off its new product range that's designed to get parents parting with their hard-earned cash this coming Yuletide.

Traditionally the show is held to show off their products to buyers, gift-guide writers, and parenting groups, but this year Microsoft wanted to let the unlucky few who didn't make it to E3 the chance to have a play with Kinect.

After first being introduced to the new Kinect-enabled Xbox Live interface which allows you to control online content with voice commands, we were ushered through into a much larger room dominated by a stage with Dance Central being demoed by a trio of lithe dancers bopping away to Lady Gaga.

Volunteers to step up onto the stage to have a go at Dance Central were thin on the ground, but everyone else was keen to have a go at the four other games on offer – Kinect Sports, Kinect Adventures, Joy Ride and Kinectimals – to finally get a chance to see whether Kinect can justify its £130 price tag.

Joy Ride – a cartoony kart-racer - was surprisingly difficult to control, and most of the seasoned gaming journos spent half the time spinning off the track. Waving your limbs around in front of a screen, regardless of how simplified the game is, isn't an intuitive control system.

The system's responsiveness also seemed a little off balance and only time will tell whether this gets easier with practice. You can see the potential for Kinect, but it feels like Microsoft was still either keeping its cards close to its chest, or had over-promised with the initial reveal.

Kinect Sports and Adventures seemed a better fit for the new interface, but for most of the time trying the ball-dodging mini-game in Adventures was spent flailing around at random. Whether this was caused by the infamous 'lag' that seemed to plague early demos was difficult to tell, but when you have to resort to waving your arms like a semaphore enthusiast at a rave whilst you're trying to do something as simple as bat a ball back at the screen it can get frustrating.


Here's what you get for your cash, but will it be worth it?
Our final demo was with Kinectimals, which was shown to us in a curtained off area of the showfloor, seemingly to enable voice commands to be heard by Kinect. The system really struggled in the darkened area, with the sounds of Lady Gaga still heard through the thick curtains, and the on-screen lion cub responded to the demonstrator's commands only sporadically.

It seems silence and solitude are needed by Kinect for optimum performance - conditions seldom found in homes with young children – Kinectimal's target audience.

From what we were shown, there is little that Kinect has to offer for the hardcore gamer from its opening titles, with the casual gamer clearly their number one target.

The games being shown were clearly just designed to demonstrate the peripheral's capability at a very basic level, but until Microsoft begins to utilise some of Kinect's more exciting features in a – dare we say it – cooler way, then it may struggle to convince even its most fervent fans to part with £130 when it finally becomes available later this year.

As it stands, PlayStation's Move looks a much more accessible piece of hardware and the tech demos we've seen blew Kinect's flailing displays out of the water. Nintendo is still ahead of the game when it comes to motion sensing, and both Sony and Microsoft still have a long way to go to catch up, but so far Kinect seems like the lame donkey in the race.

Liver&Onions 08-09-10 06:30 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Word on the street is that some dweebs are getting beta invites in their MSFT Connect thingamajigger. Any of you get one? I did not.

chuckd21 08-09-10 06:33 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
I'm not allowed to say.

Liver&Onions 08-09-10 06:35 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
you're allowed to say, just not allowed to forward it on.

fujishig 08-09-10 07:01 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by Liver&Onions (Post 10313353)
Word on the street is that some dweebs are getting beta invites in their MSFT Connect thingamajigger. Any of you get one? I did not.

Beta invites for what? Are they going to be giving out the hardware too?

Liver&Onions 08-09-10 07:08 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 10313424)
Beta invites for what? Are they going to be giving out the hardware too?

The games might control a little better if they do get the hardware.

fujishig 08-09-10 07:15 PM

Re: Chuckd21's Project Natal thread. AKA Kinect
 
Hey, it could be like ROB the robot, where the games controlled better without him.


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