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UncleGramps 05-26-11 05:41 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 10790648)
maybe it is not fair comparison...but Mafia 2 is the better game...

Strongly disagree.


Originally Posted by nickdawgy (Post 10790997)
Mafia II was alot of fun but sorry, LA Noire blows it away.

Strongly agree.

;)

Boba Fett 05-26-11 05:53 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by nickdawgy (Post 10790997)
Mafia II was alot of fun but sorry, LA Noire blows it away.

Word. Mafia II has a great story, but actual game play is very repetitive and unrefined, even for a 9-10 hour game. Replay value is non-existant unless you like hunting down some worthless collectibles. At least LA NOIRE as the side missions and the hook of replaying the cases for a better outcome (I one-starred a few, and averaged 3-4 on the rest, so I definitely want to give things another shot).

foxdvd 05-26-11 08:09 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 10791018)
At least LA NOIRE as the side missions and the hook of replaying the cases for a better outcome (I one-starred a few, and averaged 3-4 on the rest, so I definitely want to give things another shot).


You must have played a different game than I did...because LA Noire was about the most repetitive game I have played in years. Go here...find clues...interview...chase person...solve case...and the side missions were the same 3 missions repeated 40 times...and the few times I replayed missions to get a better score I did everything I could to skip stuff....

Mafia 2 had some repetition, but each chapter felt different....from playing as a window washer to pull off a hit, to the sequence in the meat warehouse...to helping your drunk friends get rid of a problem while you have to hear them sing...

I am not saying Mafia 2 is a masterpiece...I think I would give it an 8 out of 10...but LA Noire's biggest problem was how each missions played out the same...

The more I think about La Noire, the more my opinion of it keeps dropping...

superfro 05-26-11 11:48 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Finished it up tonight. Some initial reaction, can't guarantee the clarity of my thoughts. :lol:

Spoiler:
I really hated the change over to Kelso when it happened. But...as the story went on I actually agreed with the change.

I know some of the ending talk was a few pages back, so I may end up repeating things that have already been said, but here's my thing. Phelps was a poser from the beginning. I kind of hated playing as him. He was a total asshole and I honestly didn't have a care for him. I was invested in the progression of the story and moving it forward, but I didn't really find myself caring what happened to Phelps at all. So why was I so concerned when the story shifted and the focus became Kelso? I guess I was still holding out to find some connection to Phelps. To care about him in some form. To see him take down the people that he's been building up the cases against. To not get that opportunity bummed me out at first. Then I got to the second case with Kelso.

Leading up to this point I've played as Phelps getting swept under the rug, demoted, and screwed over by almost everyone in charge of or surrounding him. This guy had people in front of him at any given time that he knew were covering up shit and said nothing. Even when directly goaded by that Vice dick that set him up. Now I'm playing as Kelso who after one day of looking into the Elysian Fields stuff is punching out his boss and calling him out on banging 12 year olds? Fuck yeah! He coyly plays with Monroe about meeting and storms the guy's mansion, punches out a chick that shoots him, and puts one in the big guy himself? Then leaves him to scoot over to the phone or bleed out?! This guy is gettin' shit done! :cool:

And that's kind of where it hit me. The guy I'd been playing most of the game was all about bravado about how he was gonna change the city, but in turn completely backed away from all the major players. The more we get of the war experiences with Phelps the more we see the kind of person he is compared to Kelso. Even the final scene on the boat with Kelso only made his character stronger. He made his moral stance regarding the issue, and vowed to not be part of it, yet we know from earlier in the game that he still attempted to help Courtney when he had nowhere else to go. He can't help but be the good guy.

In the end was the lack of any emotional grasp on Cole intentional by the game makers so that the change over to Kelso had an even bigger impact? No idea. Sure is a convenient excuse even if it wasn't. ;) But that's totally what the game left me with. The vacuum of feelings that I had in regards to Cole did a complete 180 by the end of the game for Kelso.

Unfortunately the ending doesn't really give us any closure on Kelso and where he goes from there. The new DA obviously making some mystery deal with the chief gives the impression that the corruption continues, only on most likely different terms, but we're not really given any further info on how Kelso fits into that which is a bummer.

pinata242 05-26-11 11:52 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Spoiler:
You have a very positive outlook on it as a player. Me? I was pissed they made me play so long "as Phelps" only to show that I never was.

Go back and read from where I started the end-game spoilers for my view and then foxdvd's alternative take. You seem more forgiving than either of us, even though foxdvd justified it as well.

Fuck the bait & switch of this game. 75% is too much to give us Cole. 25-50%, ok, it would have been easier to accept.

superfro 05-27-11 12:04 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10791445)
Spoiler:
You have a very positive outlook on it as a player. Me? I was pissed they made me play so long "as Phelps" only to show that I never was.

Go back and read from where I started the end-game spoilers for my view and then foxdvd's alternative take. You seem more forgiving than either of us, even though foxdvd justified it as well.

Fuck the bait & switch of this game. 75% is too much to give us Cole. 25-50%, ok, it would have been easier to accept.

Spoiler:
I hear ya. I guess I wrote off Phelps so early on (My notes on my 2nd day of playing are basically a giant "This guy is an ass!" :lol:) that I was mainly playing for the story and kind of threw character involvement out the window. (As opposed to a game like Red Dead where the character trumped everything else for me.)

I do feel that Cole saving Kelso at his own sacrifice at the end was still at least a bit of a redemption for him. All his "heroism" theretofore was all bullshit. At least that was finally something.

nickdawgy 05-27-11 02:47 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 10791194)
You must have played a different game than I did...because LA Noire was about the most repetitive game I have played in years. Go here...find clues...interview...chase person...solve case...and the side missions were the same 3 missions repeated 40 times...and the few times I replayed missions to get a better score I did everything I could to skip stuff....

Mafia 2 had some repetition, but each chapter felt different....from playing as a window washer to pull off a hit, to the sequence in the meat warehouse...to helping your drunk friends get rid of a problem while you have to hear them sing...

I am not saying Mafia 2 is a masterpiece...I think I would give it an 8 out of 10...but LA Noire's biggest problem was how each missions played out the same...

The more I think about La Noire, the more my opinion of it keeps dropping...

Each case is different. Different clues, suspects, questions, cut scenes. Sometimes the suspect runs, sometimes he shoots at you, sometimes he fights you, sometimes he hops in a car.

You can get interrigations wrong, miss clues, end chases different ways...

About the only thing that is repetitive is the street crime. Even they have their own cut scenes.

Mafia II had a ridiculous save system. Try that level where you have to fight in the warehouse while dodging molotov cocktails. You fail, and it's starting all over. Crash your car and die? Start the entire level over and unable to skip the cut scene.

Mafia II may have had the different situations you mention, but you knew it was going to end in a "take cover and fire" gun fight. Every. Single. Time.

Rival11 05-27-11 07:28 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
The point you may be missing is that L.A. Noire is just not that in depth of a game and while it is a very well done story.....it's nowhere near to the point where people would care what happens if they miss a clue, get interrogations wrong, etc.....

A lot of people, even hardcore Rockstar fans like myself....feel like they wasted their hard earned cash on this game....especially when I noticed the controller is on my lap more than it is in my hands (insert sick joke here).

I'm all for changing how we play games and even adding the movie elements but the interactivity has taken a backseat and the player has been told to shut up while we watch their film....Not good.

superfro 05-27-11 09:17 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by Rival11 (Post 10791613)
The point you may be missing is that L.A. Noire is just not that in depth of a game and while it is a very well done story.....it's nowhere near to the point where people would care what happens if they miss a clue, get interrogations wrong, etc.....

A lot of people, even hardcore Rockstar fans like myself....feel like they wasted their hard earned cash on this game....especially when I noticed the controller is on my lap more than it is in my hands (insert sick joke here).

I'm all for changing how we play games and even adding the movie elements but the interactivity has taken a backseat and the player has been told to shut up while we watch their film....Not good.

There was always going to be an element of people going in thinking this was going to be a 1940s GTA, which was never going to be the case with this game. IMO that's been kind of clear for months. :shrug:

foxdvd 05-27-11 09:44 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by nickdawgy (Post 10791532)
Each case is different. Different clues, suspects, questions, cut scenes. Sometimes the suspect runs, sometimes he shoots at you, sometimes he fights you, sometimes he hops in a car.

You can get interrigations wrong, miss clues, end chases different ways...

The thing is, by its nature all games are repetitive. You could argue that Call of Duty is nothing but shooting people and repeat. Old school games like pac-man? To call the shooting aspect of Mafia 2 repetitive is sort of just calling all games repetitive. Mafia, unlike Call of Duty, at least presented the action in a different setting every level, and each played out differently. How you got there...backgrounds...but yes it was just shooting people over and over..and yes like every shooter game on the market it was the same thing over and over....

LA Noire on the other hand, requires you to watch most of the game, not play it. So in watching the game the repetition for me was more prominent. You say the clues are different? I say finding the clues was exactly the same every level...and because there is not the adrenaline of being killed or being eaten by a ghost, I felt the repetition. It did not matter to me that the items were actually different.

As for the save system on Mafia 2, I never understood the complaint. Playing on hard, I never felt a reload was that punishing. The dock scene, like many felt, was hard....but doable.

La Noire was an interactive movie. The scenes connecting the movie were repeated over and over. If you were blown away by the movie, you could over look flaws...the same way Seven Samurai on an old VHS tape is still an amazing movie. Because I was not blown away by this movie, I payed attention more to the flaws maybe....If my choices really effected the outcome of each case or the end of the game than the replay value would have been a lot higher... (outside two pathetic attempts to let you choose between 2 suspects at the end of 2 crimes, which really had no outcome on the game, and only pissed me off because there was not enough evidence to hit any of them)...even if I messed up though the game corrected the movie and played out the same....

Groucho 05-27-11 09:52 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Knocking off the street crimes in Free Roam mode really shows how repetitive those are. I swear, 90% of them end with the exact same cutscene of the coroner rolling a corpse into his car.

Rival11 05-27-11 09:54 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10791741)
There was always going to be an element of people going in thinking this was going to be a 1940s GTA, which was never going to be the case with this game. IMO that's been kind of clear for months. :shrug:

Again, you're missing the point.....it has nothing to do with it being GTA related...the game itself is just not that involving at all and there is barely any gameplay.

I was actually all for this being a linear game like Alan Wake in fact, I really wish it was.

superfro 05-27-11 10:01 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by Rival11 (Post 10791782)
Again, you're missing the point.....it has nothing to do with it being GTA related...the game itself is just not that involving at all and there is barely any gameplay.

I was actually all for this being a linear game like Alan Wake in fact, I really wish it was.

Agree to disagree I guess. I don't understand the argument that there was barely any gameplay. That's not the case. Limited in scope and options yes, but there was still plenty you had to actually do in control of the game.

LA Noire has a lot of issues but labeling it as passive or as a game where you didn't even need to hold the controller because of all the cut scenes isn't a fair representation IMO.

Rival11 05-27-11 10:03 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Ok then, fair enough.....I definitely thought it was lacking and I feel like I wasted my money a bit on it.

chuckd21 05-27-11 10:29 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Finished it last night. I feel pretty much how Superfro felt.

Still giving it a B+. I definitely would recommend it to people, but with a warning that if you're expecting constant gameplay you're better off looking elsewhere.

To me, I enjoyed the overall experience. The face technology was amazing, the acting was solid, good use of music, and even though they did get repetitive, I'd play another 80 street cases without a single complaint. Chasing dudes across rooftops and then either tackling, boxing or shooting them in the face is fun to me.

Still, I'm selling off my copy and then will rebuy it when all the DLC is packaged together. I started to go back after I finished the story to collect cars and landmarks and just couldn't do it.

MoviePage 05-27-11 10:34 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
I'm starting to feel happy about resisting the temptation to pre-order this (well, I didn't resist the temptation, but I cancelled it the night before it would have shipped). It seems like the type of game that will not only flood the used market within a short period of time but will probably also be available new for $20 within a year when sales roll around.

foxdvd 05-27-11 10:45 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
I sort of feel like I am bashing the game more than it deserves because I got into an argument over the games flaws...the truth is the game was amazing at times...the 7.5 I gave it was because I was genuinely impressed by some of the game, and at times it really started to come together. The final 3 hours was very enjoyable.....

even with the 20 bucks I got back from amazon though, I wish I had waited for it to drop below 30...

Raul3 05-27-11 10:46 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
I started arson and decided I was too tired of this game. I'm not that involved, it's become too much of a chore.

So I decided to use one of the guides from xbox360achievements and get done with the game. Basically to know what to answer to each question. And just "watch" the movie. I think I still need to complete two more cases and I'm done.

I'm not sure if the game is going to be down on price soon. I don't think it will be another GTA, since I don't see a lot of replayability, but since it's receiving a lot of good reviews, and people in general are talking good things about it, it may take more time for it to go down in price.

superfro 05-27-11 11:11 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by Raul3 (Post 10791882)
I'm not sure if the game is going to be down on price soon. I don't think it will be another GTA, since I don't see a lot of replayability, but since it's receiving a lot of good reviews, and people in general are talking good things about it, it may take more time for it to go down in price.

That and I think Rockstar is in the practice of not giving the appearance of cheapening their product with quick drops in SRP.

chuckd21 05-27-11 11:14 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by superfro (Post 10791918)
That and I think Rockstar is in the practice of not giving the appearance of cheapening their product with quick drops in SRP.

Team Bondi!

Oh wait...

Liver&Onions 05-27-11 11:25 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
:suicide:

Rival11 05-27-11 11:30 AM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 

Originally Posted by Liver&Onions (Post 10791936)
:suicide:

:lol:

foxdvd 05-27-11 12:38 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Recent Rockstar games with an online component held their value a long time...I would guess that this will fall faster...I would never sell my copy of Red Dead because I never know when my friends are going to want to fuck around in Free Roam...(and the fact I don't sell my games, but you get the idea)

Price drops happen also when the used market gets saturated....Last time I checked there was already 60 used copies up for sell on amazon of La Noire...as the number of used copies gets bigger, the price will keep dropping forcing them to drop the price of new copies....saving 10 bucks might not be worth buying a game used, but 20-30 bucks would be....and they know that...

Rival11 05-27-11 01:26 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
DLC annoucement already on its way:

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswir...ar-pass-c.html

pinata242 05-27-11 01:38 PM

Re: LA Noire - The Thread.
 
Announcement of an announcement! I think that sums up the game nicely.


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