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Which is silly, especially given how great the story telling can be and enhance a game.

System Shock and Thief and both FPS games. No reason to take it so literally, at this point it's defined a genre and arguing against it seems purposely picky. Reminds me of folks wanting to call stealth games like Thief "first person sneaker."

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The developers themselves called it a first person sneaker.

It's most definitely not an FPS. FPS distinctly stands for first person shooter. Thief is first person, but it's not a shooter. Not every first person game is an FPS. Remember those old first person RPGs like Wizardry and Might & Magic? They're first person, but they're not shooters. They're first person RPGs.

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Nope I disagree, still FPS games. Like I said, the genre has moved beyond taking the word "shooter" literally and encompasses just about all first person games even if the term doesn't really fit all games. Most genre names don't make complete sense anyway and arguing otherwise is just being nitpicky to me in this context.

Just like RPG would technically encompass most games since you're taking the role of another character.

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He just took you to school and taught you what FPS stands for!

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Ooo, burn!

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Did you ever play Mirror's Edge? It's a first person parkour game, and I don't recall it having any shooting or any action whatsoever. It was just parkour in first person.

Also, Portal. That's a first person puzzle game. There's no action or shooting in it. (Shooting the portal gun doesn't count because it's not used in an action-based sense but rather just to solve puzzles.)

Heck, many racing games and/or flight simulators are also in first person.

You're confusing FPS with first person. FPS is a genre, but first person is merely a camera viewpoint like third person or first person or isometric or whatever. Not all first person games fit in the FPS genre.

Saying that all first person games are in the FPS genre is like saying all 2D sidescrollers are in the platformer genre like Mario. Nope, there are 2D sidescrollers like Contra and Double Dragon too which aren't platformers at all.

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True, but remember that DOOM 3 came out over a decade ago and Carmack has always been technology-focused.

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You can throw as many examples as you want, but I covered that already with my previous posts. It's funny to see you take "shooter" literally, until it's not convenient like with Portal. And there are guns in Mirror's Edge.

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-popcorn-

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Yeah. Speaking of which, i'm still surprised at how the iD Tech engines trailed off as far as being used in other properties. Used to be right up there with Unreal, but few used the Doom 3 engine and i don't think anything came from RAGE.

:dance: Either way it's all opinion, i'm certainly not the only one that lumps in all these games as FPS :) I still think its funny to take FPS literally but not RPG.

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If only someone actually in the industry could set us straight...

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I didn't know there were guns in Mirror's Edge. I never actually played it myself. I just watched others play bits and pieces of it years ago. Still the main point is that it is not a shooter game, even though it has shooter elements. It is a platforming/parkour game. Most games borrow elements from other genres, but they don't belong to that genre. For example, is Mario an action-based game? It has action-based elements like jumping on a turtle's head and killing it. However, Mario is not in the action-based genre because action isn't its main purpose. Mario is a platforming game and belongs in the platforming genre.

The Portal gun simply does not count. There is not a single enemy in the game that you shoot with the gun. It is used only to solve puzzles and nothing more.

FPS is a genre.
First person is a camera viewpoint.
All FPS games are first person, but not all first person games are in the FPS genre.

This isn't rocket science.

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You could just say Elder Scrolls isn't considered an FPS for a reason.

It's been a decade but I recall System Shock still had a decent amount of shooting to it, so I consider it an FPS. Unless I'm mixing SS2 in with that.

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I think I can just copy/paste my last response and it still applies here. We're not going to agree :shrug:

Really, like I said earlier I didn't see the point in being nitpicky about what System Shock is in this context. Especially when genre names don't make sense and shouldn't be taken so literally (again, RPG). I consider a lot of games to be an FPS in addition to other genres, which often gives you something stupid like this -

From what I can tell..."shooter" only refers to shooting when you're talking about shooting guns, but not shooting portal guns because it's not for combat, and not shooting guns in combat when you're busy doing parkour. It also doesn't count if you're shooting with a bow and arrow if you're doing it quietly. It probably also counts if you shoot magic or use melee weapons, but not if you gain levels and stats while doing so. :p

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Mario is a shooter too! Mario shoots fireballs! Mario is also survival horror because of the haunted house levels! Mario is also an RPG because you play the role of Mario!

Mario is a platformer shooter survival horror role playing game. :p

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True, it is surprising. id Tech 4 (Doom 3 engine) was used for Prey(awesome!) and Quake 4, id Tech 5 (Rage) was used for the new Wolfenstein games and The Evil Within, while the Unreal Engines have a staggering list of games. It sucks seeing id Software's fall from grace through the years, but I still hold out hope for DOOM.

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Ah, didn't realize it got used for Wolfenstein although that makes sense. Carmack leaving felt like it really took away any final reverence I had for id, but still looking forward to this too.

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Jesus, that's purdy.

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Been waiting for this since I got the Beta Code Flyer inside Wolfenstein: The New Order game. The game play video is pure classic FPS and DOOM couldn't look any better....

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Looks alright, I think the soundtrack will make or break it for me, the thing I loved about old id games is that they were atmospheric as hell, but not in a survival horror sort of way. Not really feeling the underground industrial design setting.

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I liked Doom 3 a lot but the pacing wasn't Doom to me. This one seems like it's bringing back how chaotic it got at times w/ a shit ton of awesome in it.

The music will definitely be a big part to how good this game is.

EDIT: That Doom 3 that came on the 360, how good was it? I'm in the mood for Doom now but don't know about that one. Better just to keep w/ my old Doom 3 or what?

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What's your old Doom 3? The PC version or the Xbox version? The Xbox 360 version was pretty much PC perfect and much better than the standard Xbox version, but they made it easier by including a flashlight toggle.

FWIW, Doom 3 is 11 years old now and should run well on higher settings on most non-dedicated graphic cards.

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Xbox.

I'll get the 360 one. It was a bit too much survival horror too much for me but it was a damn good game. Not what Doom is but it was damn good take on it.

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Well...it's about time...or at least getting close....

Doom Alpha Sign-Ups Live on PS4, Xbox One & PC, Test Includes One Map & One Mode

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...-map-one-mode/

We don’t quite know when the alpha test is set to begin, but Bethesda has opened sign-ups for the Doom Multiplayer Closed Alpha on PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC.

For PS4 owners in North America, those who pre-ordered or bought Wolfenstein: The New Order at retail on or before May 26, 2014 to get into the Doom beta can redeem their code for entry. If you purchased The New Order digitally, your invitation to the Doom beta is associated with your PSN user account. If selected for the alpha, you’ll be sent an email from Sony or Bethesda.

The Doom Twitter account adds, “If you previously redeemed the DOOM Beta code included with Wolfenstein and received confirmation, no further action is required.”

More details on the link for Map, weapons, mode, etc...