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fujishig 08-06-07 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by UncleGramps
Granted, they can't make major changes, but the bulk of clean-up work (bug fixes, improving the framerate, etc) happens right near the end of development. This kind of last-minute polishing can make a big difference. I haven't read the negative reviews, but I think the changes could result in a slight increase in scores, depending on what their initial complaints were. I also wouldn't be too surprised if they delayed the game again, especially with Heavenly Sword scheduled to come out in the same time period.

How much polishing can they do, though? Doesn't that 30 days include pressing the discs and such? Doesn't seem like they can polish the code all that much, unless they're doing some kind of downloadable update.

UncleGramps 08-06-07 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by fujishig
How much polishing can they do, though? Doesn't that 30 days include pressing the discs and such? Doesn't seem like they can polish the code all that much, unless they're doing some kind of downloadable update.

True, the actual development time added is probably more like two weeks. I still think that even two weeks of extra time can make a noticeable difference. Again, nothing groundbreaking is going to happen in that time, but fixing bugs and fine-tuning the experience can go a long way. However, I'm also skeptical that Lair and Heavenly Sword will actually come out within a week of one another. I'd bet that at least one of them gets delayed.

Fandango 08-06-07 07:34 PM

Most of the complaints in the reviews were about the controls, you can only use the motion sensing for flight. It is possible they could add an option to use the sticks for flight and that could change the review scores.

Supermallet 08-07-07 12:51 AM

Eww, motion sensing only for flight? That blows.

Noonan 08-07-07 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Fandango
Most of the complaints in the reviews were about the controls, you can only use the motion sensing for flight. It is possible they could add an option to use the sticks for flight and that could change the review scores.

That would make sense. Sony may have been pushing them to make it motion only to showcase it. Forcing it on us is a bad idea though. That alone could make a big difference.

PixyJunket 08-07-07 08:46 AM

Okay, here's my mini-report on the PS3: Yawn. Okay, I guess that's not TOO fair, given the limited amount of stuff I got to do.. but fair in that, for now, that limited amount of stuff is all I care about on the system.

I bought Goodfellas on Blu-Ray since Fry's had it for $13.99 but the system only played it at 480i without HDMI. It still looked better than DVD though, for what it's worth. The angering part is that my friend (who by sheer happenstance was GIVEN a PS3 by his job the day before he was going to pick up his $350 one from the pawn shop) got an HDMI cable and then forgot to bring it over. This weekend though.. we may try again.

Super Stardust HD is pretty cool. I'd put it before Geometry Wars and Mutant Storm Reloaded, to be honest.. but if a PS3 ends up in my entertainment center in the near future, I will be picking it up for sure. He had a couple of demos, but I passed over them for now as we were anxious to get started on Mario Strikers and Bomberman Live.

The saddest part of the night was the haphazard PS2 upscaling.. it's just horrible. It's honestly no better than what my TV does, which sucks badly to begin with. The "smoothing" option adds a blurry haze to everything, but at the same time, doesn't look as bad as blurring normally does. The OG Xbox games I've played on the 360 look crisp and sharp.. which is what I like, not fuzzy, blurry Vaseline-vision. Hopefully, future system updates will offer better options, like the "Double-Pixel" option they offer for DVD upscaling.

Since my girlfriend is bound to buy an HD player when she moves in (our deal for me footing the bill for the HDTV), the perfomance of the Blu-Ray and DVD playback over HDMI once we get the chance will be pivotal.. I'm sure it's going to be excellent, so I'd expect myself to be in the PS3 camp before the end of the year on her bill.

Fandango 08-08-07 05:28 PM

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/...rhawk-servers/

cartman 08-08-07 06:00 PM

Well, they had to do something with all those extra PS3's! :lol:

fujishig 08-08-07 08:06 PM

Pixy, why was the PS3 only able to do 480i without HDMI? Not even 480p?

darkside 08-08-07 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by fujishig
Pixy, why was the PS3 only able to do 480i without HDMI? Not even 480p?

It doesn't come with component cables.

Noonan 08-09-07 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Okay, here's my mini-report on the PS3: Yawn. Okay, I guess that's not TOO fair, given the limited amount of stuff I got to do.. but fair in that, for now, that limited amount of stuff is all I care about on the system.

I bought Goodfellas on Blu-Ray since Fry's had it for $13.99 but the system only played it at 480i without HDMI. It still looked better than DVD though, for what it's worth. The angering part is that my friend (who by sheer happenstance was GIVEN a PS3 by his job the day before he was going to pick up his $350 one from the pawn shop) got an HDMI cable and then forgot to bring it over. This weekend though.. we may try again.

Super Stardust HD is pretty cool. I'd put it before Geometry Wars and Mutant Storm Reloaded, to be honest.. but if a PS3 ends up in my entertainment center in the near future, I will be picking it up for sure. He had a couple of demos, but I passed over them for now as we were anxious to get started on Mario Strikers and Bomberman Live.

The saddest part of the night was the haphazard PS2 upscaling.. it's just horrible. It's honestly no better than what my TV does, which sucks badly to begin with. The "smoothing" option adds a blurry haze to everything, but at the same time, doesn't look as bad as blurring normally does. The OG Xbox games I've played on the 360 look crisp and sharp.. which is what I like, not fuzzy, blurry Vaseline-vision. Hopefully, future system updates will offer better options, like the "Double-Pixel" option they offer for DVD upscaling.

Since my girlfriend is bound to buy an HD player when she moves in (our deal for me footing the bill for the HDTV), the perfomance of the Blu-Ray and DVD playback over HDMI once we get the chance will be pivotal.. I'm sure it's going to be excellent, so I'd expect myself to be in the PS3 camp before the end of the year on her bill.

Why were you trying the upscaling if it was only set to 480i? It's not going to make a difference over composite. And definitely just leave it at normal. Leaving "Smoothing" and "Double Scale" off makes it look better.

PixyJunket 08-09-07 07:45 AM

I had it hooked up via component, set to 1080p. Blu-Ray played at 480i still.

Noonan 08-09-07 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I had it hooked up via component, set to 1080p. Blu-Ray played at 480i still.

Hmm, you should have been able to get up to 1080i over component for BD just like you can with the 360 HD-DVD player. Maybe since the machine was set for 1080p it bumped it all the way down? Did you try it set to either 720p or 1080i?

Also, I'd try the upscaling set to Normal with Smoothing off. Double Scale just stretches the picture and Smoothing just makes it more blurry.

DJ_Longfellow 08-09-07 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I had it hooked up via component, set to 1080p. Blu-Ray played at 480i still.

Very few TV's do 1080p over component, so I would try to change your settings.

PixyJunket 08-09-07 08:06 AM

My TV does 1080p over component. Everything played in 1080p except Blu-Ray.

DJ_Longfellow 08-09-07 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
My TV does 1080p over component. Everything played in 1080p except Blu-Ray.

That is really odd...what TV do you have? Did you try setting it to 1080i or 720p to see if that looked better? I've never had any issues with Blu-Ray playback (but I use HDMI). I'm assuming you have the latest firmware installed also.

Noonan 08-09-07 08:24 AM

Well, BD is limited to 1080i over component. In the Display Settings, did you select 1080i and 720p as available resolutions or did you just select 1080p and that's it? You need to have it selected for the system to output that format.

DVD Josh 08-09-07 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
That is really odd...what TV do you have? Did you try setting it to 1080i or 720p to see if that looked better? I've never had any issues with Blu-Ray playback (but I use HDMI). I'm assuming you have the latest firmware installed also.

I've be extremely surprised if his display took a 1080p signal natively over component. More than likely, his display is upscaling the signal to 1080p.

Then again, Pixy also claimed to play HD-DVDs on a SD TV, so go figure.

PixyJunket 08-09-07 08:28 AM

No, just 1080p.. next time my friend brings it over he'll have his HDMI cable.

PixyJunket 08-09-07 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
I've be extremely surprised if his display took a 1080p signal natively over component. More than likely, his display is upscaling the signal to 1080p.

It takes 1080p natively over component. This was a requirement before I bought the TV.


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Then again, Pixy also claimed to play HD-DVDs on a SD TV, so go figure.

What?!

Noonan 08-09-07 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
No, just 1080p.. next time my friend brings it over he'll have his HDMI cable.

That was the problem. Games will work at 1080p over component but not BD (just like the 360 with HD-DVD). If you don't tell the PS3 that your TV can handle the other resolutions, it'll just bump down to 480i. Next time either use HDMI like you said, or select 1080i in the Settings.

pinata242 08-09-07 08:32 AM

Mine Westy 42" LCD also takes 1080p over component (as supplied by the 360). I don't know how you can argue when it says 1920x1080, 60Hz when my 1080i cable box (component) says 1920x540, 60Hz as does the HDMI-attached upconverting DVD player.

DJ_Longfellow 08-09-07 08:32 AM

So, what TV is it? The reason why Blu-Ray dosen't work over component is probably because of this:

AVS Forum steal:

AACS allows 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p and 1080i analog output. If the "Image Constraint Token" (ICT) on an AACS disc is set to 1, the analog output stage pathway is limited to a maximum of 520,000 active pixels (e.g., 960x540p), and it can then be resampled back to whatever.
So, you can blame Hollywood or whomever.

dvd182 08-09-07 08:38 AM

Apologies if this has been answered, but does anyone know if there is a solution yet to the small lag for upscaled games over HDMI? The Parappa-verse games are unplayable...

PixyJunket 08-09-07 08:38 AM

Holy Christ guys. I KNOW why it didn't play at 1080p. I was just pointing out that it set to 480i when I tried it and I even mentioned that the guy forgot the HDMI cable in my initial post. I was not asking what was wrong. I even asked if the PS3 did everything else at 1080p over component because I had a PS2 component cable previously.. I don't know why I'm being talked to like I'm a dribbling idiot in this thread..


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