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11-28-05 | 11:03 PM
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Here's a (visually crappy) promo for the revolution and nintendo in general that some of you may have not seen:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ndo+Revolution
It's a bit tedious, but I guess they have a lot to say.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ndo+Revolution
It's a bit tedious, but I guess they have a lot to say.
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11-29-05 | 01:30 AM
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New details on download service from patent filing:
Nintendo Granted Virtual Console Patent
11/28/2005, 7:52pm Eastern Time
A patent recently granted by the US Patent Office might shed some light on how the Revolution's Virtual Console might function.
Patent Number 6,955,606 details how a new piece of gaming hardware could play game titles from technologically older systems using software to emulate the older hardware, as well as utilizing a intuitive selection interface.
In a particularly Nintendo-esque turn (that phrase invented right here, folks), the Virtual Console will offer game selection menus based on franchises and series rather than on system, meaning that Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 64 would be on the same page, but Super Mario Bros. 3 and Kirby's Adventure would not.
The patent also mentions graphical and content upgrades to existing titles, a topic which Nintendo representatives have spoken of before. While no new programming is required for straight emulation of older games, the addition of new graphics or playable characters would necessitate some rewriting of code.
Although the patent was granted last month, it had been filed in February of 2001, indicating that Nintendo had been considering backwards-compatibility in its systems for some time.
11/28/2005, 7:52pm Eastern Time
A patent recently granted by the US Patent Office might shed some light on how the Revolution's Virtual Console might function.
Patent Number 6,955,606 details how a new piece of gaming hardware could play game titles from technologically older systems using software to emulate the older hardware, as well as utilizing a intuitive selection interface.
In a particularly Nintendo-esque turn (that phrase invented right here, folks), the Virtual Console will offer game selection menus based on franchises and series rather than on system, meaning that Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 64 would be on the same page, but Super Mario Bros. 3 and Kirby's Adventure would not.
The patent also mentions graphical and content upgrades to existing titles, a topic which Nintendo representatives have spoken of before. While no new programming is required for straight emulation of older games, the addition of new graphics or playable characters would necessitate some rewriting of code.
Although the patent was granted last month, it had been filed in February of 2001, indicating that Nintendo had been considering backwards-compatibility in its systems for some time.
11-29-05 | 05:49 PM
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In an article mentioning that Revolution will be displayed in a pre-E3 conference, I saw this tid bit:
Is there any more information about that?
IBM finished work on the dual-core processor and has shown Nintendo a prototype - which Nintendo has in turn shown to selected developers.
11-29-05 | 06:22 PM
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RevoGaming has heard from sources inside the development community that IBM has finalised the Broadway processor and is showing it to developers. Details inside.
The details come from two different sources inside the development community. One source revealed the information to RevoGaming around three weeks ago, whilst the other revealed it to us a few days ago. We were waiting for a word from another development insider before we would report it.
Apparently, the "Broadway" processor is finished, and IBM has shown plans and a prototype to Nintendo. After some discussion, it has been shown to select developers. One source said that the processor was a dual-core one, whilst the other would not reveal any technical information.
Both sources would not talk about ATi's "Hollywood" graphics chip or any other internal Revolution components. The names of the sources cannot be revealed at their request, nor the developers they work at.
There is no official word from Nintendo, so this should still be classified as a rumour.
The details come from two different sources inside the development community. One source revealed the information to RevoGaming around three weeks ago, whilst the other revealed it to us a few days ago. We were waiting for a word from another development insider before we would report it.
Apparently, the "Broadway" processor is finished, and IBM has shown plans and a prototype to Nintendo. After some discussion, it has been shown to select developers. One source said that the processor was a dual-core one, whilst the other would not reveal any technical information.
Both sources would not talk about ATi's "Hollywood" graphics chip or any other internal Revolution components. The names of the sources cannot be revealed at their request, nor the developers they work at.
There is no official word from Nintendo, so this should still be classified as a rumour.
11-30-05 | 05:49 AM
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Bad Rumor I hope (from gonintendo.com):
EGM says Revolution graphics are “barely better than those on GameCube”
November 30th, 2005
Electronic Gaming Monthly has a little story in their most recent issue that talks of the Revolution’s graphical prowess. Keep in mind, this little blurb of “information” is coming from EGM’s Rumor Mill section. The reporter in the article is referred to as “The Q”
The Q hates being the bearer of bad news, but it comes with the territory (at least that’s what the rumormonger handbook says). During a recent powwow with a few well-known gamemakers, some discussed their hands-on time with early Revolution development kits. OK, here it goes: According to those fellas, the graphics that Nintendo’s next-gen system can produce are barely better than those on GameCube.
This statement directly opposes the one recently released from Nintendo stating that there should be no discernable difference between what the Revolution can do graphically when compared to Xbox360 and PS3. Who are we to believe here? Maybe Nintendo hasn’t show us screenshots yet because there isn’t much of a graphical difference between Cube and Revolution (is that such a bad thing?) Perhaps this EGM Rumor Mill entry is just that, a rumor with no proof to back it.
The one thing I think is safe to say is that by posting this EGM has fueled the already blazing console wars even before the next two entries hit the markets. EGM is definitely aware of Nintendo’s situation in the public eye, and how they are perceived. One has to wonder if EGM posted this rumor on purpose just to give some more firewood to the PS3/Xbox360 fanboys.
As has been said many a time on this site and in our podcasts, the only way we will ever find out the truth is to wait and see.
EGM says Revolution graphics are “barely better than those on GameCube”
November 30th, 2005
Electronic Gaming Monthly has a little story in their most recent issue that talks of the Revolution’s graphical prowess. Keep in mind, this little blurb of “information” is coming from EGM’s Rumor Mill section. The reporter in the article is referred to as “The Q”
The Q hates being the bearer of bad news, but it comes with the territory (at least that’s what the rumormonger handbook says). During a recent powwow with a few well-known gamemakers, some discussed their hands-on time with early Revolution development kits. OK, here it goes: According to those fellas, the graphics that Nintendo’s next-gen system can produce are barely better than those on GameCube.
This statement directly opposes the one recently released from Nintendo stating that there should be no discernable difference between what the Revolution can do graphically when compared to Xbox360 and PS3. Who are we to believe here? Maybe Nintendo hasn’t show us screenshots yet because there isn’t much of a graphical difference between Cube and Revolution (is that such a bad thing?) Perhaps this EGM Rumor Mill entry is just that, a rumor with no proof to back it.
The one thing I think is safe to say is that by posting this EGM has fueled the already blazing console wars even before the next two entries hit the markets. EGM is definitely aware of Nintendo’s situation in the public eye, and how they are perceived. One has to wonder if EGM posted this rumor on purpose just to give some more firewood to the PS3/Xbox360 fanboys.
As has been said many a time on this site and in our podcasts, the only way we will ever find out the truth is to wait and see.
11-30-05 | 06:45 AM
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If that were true why bother developing a new GPU and CPU, why not use one off the shelf already designed? It makes no sense to do so if they were planning such a weak console.
The fact the the Rev. fails to support HD makes it very easy for it to mach the other systems in graphics (minus resolution), so I'm not sure how this "rumor" can really hold any weight. So yeah, just firewood.
The fact the the Rev. fails to support HD makes it very easy for it to mach the other systems in graphics (minus resolution), so I'm not sure how this "rumor" can really hold any weight. So yeah, just firewood.
11-30-05 | 07:02 AM
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Hopefully a bad rumor, but the Rumor Mill in EGM is right fairly often....but also totally wrong a good bit as well.
I don't care that much, given eveyone here knows I'd don't care much about graphics. If it's under $200, has innovative games I actually want to play, ability to play most of the killer games from the NES and SNES era, and can do graphics a little better than the GC, I'm still there.
I don't care that much, given eveyone here knows I'd don't care much about graphics. If it's under $200, has innovative games I actually want to play, ability to play most of the killer games from the NES and SNES era, and can do graphics a little better than the GC, I'm still there.
11-30-05 | 07:50 AM
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I still have my Quarterman (Q-man) section from the mid 90's indicating that the Sega Saturn was going to take over the world while Sony will burn out with the PS according to the industry "buzz".
11-30-05 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Hopefully a bad rumor, but the Rumor Mill in EGM is right fairly often....but also totally wrong a good bit as well.
I don't care that much, given eveyone here knows I'd don't care much about graphics. If it's under $200, has innovative games I actually want to play, ability to play most of the killer games from the NES and SNES era, and can do graphics a little better than the GC, I'm still there.
I don't care that much, given eveyone here knows I'd don't care much about graphics. If it's under $200, has innovative games I actually want to play, ability to play most of the killer games from the NES and SNES era, and can do graphics a little better than the GC, I'm still there.
^^^ What he said!
11-30-05 | 10:25 AM
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Since the Xbox 360 graphics apparently don't look much better than what the current Xbox can do, I'm failing to see the problem here.
Next-gen launch titles rarely look much better than the current system's late-in-life offerings. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Nintendo.
Next-gen launch titles rarely look much better than the current system's late-in-life offerings. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Nintendo.
11-30-05 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Draven
Since the Xbox 360 graphics apparently don't look much better than what the current Xbox can do, I'm failing to see the problem here.
Next-gen launch titles rarely look much better than the current system's late-in-life offerings. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Nintendo.
Next-gen launch titles rarely look much better than the current system's late-in-life offerings. I'm not sure why it should be any different for Nintendo.
Speaking of getting one, do we have any idea when it'll be coming out? I looked over most of this thread and it seems like some were insinuating that it'll be Oct. or Nov. of next year. For some reason though, I was thinking Nintendo had said it would be out at the same time as the PS3 and I keep seeing stories saying that system is slated for a probable spring release.
11-30-05 | 11:45 AM
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Maybe my memory's fuzzy, but I recall thinking Rogue Squadron and Super Smash Bros. both looked way better than anything on the N64. Super Mario 64 looked better than anything on the Super Nintendo. Super Mario World, F-Zero and Pilotwings all looked better than anything on the NES. I don't think it's unusual at all for some launch titles to be noticeably better looking than anything on the previous generation.
They look better, but the jump in quality isn't, and won't be, near what it was in past generations as you noted. Especially for those without HD TVs.
11-30-05 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
Speaking of getting one, do we have any idea when it'll be coming out? I looked over most of this thread and it seems like some were insinuating that it'll be Oct. or Nov. of next year. For some reason though, I was thinking Nintendo had said it would be out at the same time as the PS3 and I keep seeing stories saying that system is slated for a probable spring release.
11-30-05 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
I think some of the reports are mixed due to both Sony and Nintendo launching in Japan first and the US a few months down the road in the past. If that follows suit, a Spring release in Japan could indicate a US release in the Fall. But that was before Microsoft's attempt at a global launch. Too lazy to check, but was it Sony or Nintendo that said they were aiming for something similair?
11-30-05 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
I think some of the reports are mixed due to both Sony and Nintendo launching in Japan first and the US a few months down the road in the past. If that follows suit, a Spring release in Japan could indicate a US release in the Fall. But that was before Microsoft's attempt at a global launch. Too lazy to check, but was it Sony or Nintendo that said they were aiming for something similair?
edited to add: Good point PixyJunket. It does seem unlikely in today's atmosphere that they'd release the PS3 in the States 6 mos. after it was available elsewhere.
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11-30-05 | 01:09 PM
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I thought the report that the Revolution was to launch worldwide within 14 weeks of each other, (thats over 4 months in between Japan/USA/Europe release) was as about accurate of a report that we have seen yet.
A spring Japan release and a Oct/Nov. US release seems very likely.
A spring Japan release and a Oct/Nov. US release seems very likely.
12-04-05 | 04:58 AM
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So, the last big secret. I think that it is that there is going to be force feedback on the controller like when you clash with swords or something. Either that, if isn't controller based, that all Nintendo games will be free! I hope for both.
12-04-05 | 07:43 AM
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People really should not want the download games to be free. If they are free there will be little incentive for other companies to offer their games on the service.
Many people are excited about the controller possabilities, as they should be, but the download service is just as significant for Nintendo. Not only do have a strong marketable capability to consumers, but they can directly sell that to developers.
By allowing developers to "release" and sell old games over Revolution it makes the Revolution have huge potential as an investment interst for developers. Who wouldn't want to milk old IP just as Nintendo has for years? Once they are on that bandwagon its very easy to understand why they would continue to support the Rev. through original IP as well. It is a key feature in my opinion, not just a simple technological extension feature.
Many people are excited about the controller possabilities, as they should be, but the download service is just as significant for Nintendo. Not only do have a strong marketable capability to consumers, but they can directly sell that to developers.
By allowing developers to "release" and sell old games over Revolution it makes the Revolution have huge potential as an investment interst for developers. Who wouldn't want to milk old IP just as Nintendo has for years? Once they are on that bandwagon its very easy to understand why they would continue to support the Rev. through original IP as well. It is a key feature in my opinion, not just a simple technological extension feature.
12-04-05 | 12:10 PM
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In the news for today:
Revolution: Miyamoto Hints at "More"
Probably NOT a soft drink dispenser.
By Jeremy LaMont - 12-02-05
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At his presentation at the Digital Interactive Entertainment Conference in Kyoto (alongside such presenters as Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Konami executive Hideo Kojima, and Valve designer Robin Walker), Shigeru Miyamoto couldn't help but slip in a little teaser for the Nintendo Revolution console, set for release next year.
Though the "big secret" of the Revolution controller was let out of the bag at this year's Tokyo Games Show, gaming blog Kotaku attended Miyamoto's presentation today, and it looks like the game designer is not finished teasing the public with pre-release tidbits. Although there are many aspects of the Revolution that have not been fully disclosed (the Virtual Console download service, the free online gaming infrastructure purportedly in development, or even something as simple as Nintendo DS connectivity), Miyamoto's comments seem to lean again towards the controller.
Seemingly, Miyamoto-san offhandedly dismisses what many gamers have held up as the realization of the potential of the controller:
"... you could use that extra peripheral with the controller for numchakus. I feel like I’ve heard this sale a million times now," Miyamoto says, referring to the video unveiled at the TGS this year. "Yes, numchakus, cool for FPS, cooking games, I got it."
Though this feisty response may puzzle some gamers, think about the fact that many self-congratulatory press roundtables and even industry insiders have expressed excitement about the controller... but their imaginations have largely been limited to what was shown in the TGS video anyway.
While seeming to rebuke the gaming faithful for this lack of imagination, Miyamoto is also coy about future news of the Revolution.
"There’s another secret," Miyamoto promises. "But I’m not going to go into that here. That’ll be for a later date."
Probably NOT a soft drink dispenser.
By Jeremy LaMont - 12-02-05
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At his presentation at the Digital Interactive Entertainment Conference in Kyoto (alongside such presenters as Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Konami executive Hideo Kojima, and Valve designer Robin Walker), Shigeru Miyamoto couldn't help but slip in a little teaser for the Nintendo Revolution console, set for release next year.
Though the "big secret" of the Revolution controller was let out of the bag at this year's Tokyo Games Show, gaming blog Kotaku attended Miyamoto's presentation today, and it looks like the game designer is not finished teasing the public with pre-release tidbits. Although there are many aspects of the Revolution that have not been fully disclosed (the Virtual Console download service, the free online gaming infrastructure purportedly in development, or even something as simple as Nintendo DS connectivity), Miyamoto's comments seem to lean again towards the controller.
Seemingly, Miyamoto-san offhandedly dismisses what many gamers have held up as the realization of the potential of the controller:
"... you could use that extra peripheral with the controller for numchakus. I feel like I’ve heard this sale a million times now," Miyamoto says, referring to the video unveiled at the TGS this year. "Yes, numchakus, cool for FPS, cooking games, I got it."
Though this feisty response may puzzle some gamers, think about the fact that many self-congratulatory press roundtables and even industry insiders have expressed excitement about the controller... but their imaginations have largely been limited to what was shown in the TGS video anyway.
While seeming to rebuke the gaming faithful for this lack of imagination, Miyamoto is also coy about future news of the Revolution.
"There’s another secret," Miyamoto promises. "But I’m not going to go into that here. That’ll be for a later date."