Let's keep this thread clean and ontopic.

you might want to check your facts, that simply is not true, there are some people that disagree with you .

I tend not to care so much about what's under the hood of these systems. Quite frankly, it's just a bunch of gaudy numbers that most of us don't understand the technical details behind. When the system releases come closer, i'll take a look at some analysis behind what may give me nicer looking games, but how many GFLOPS and what not doesn't mean anything to me. It's always curious to me why people would avoid or take more interest in the first Xbox because of the common PC parts inside.

Personally, i like the design of the 360. Looks sleek, and the wireless controllers are a plus. Pricing, especially for any addons, will be rather interesting as they come up.

Those pics are fake. Here's the real one.

Nice!

Sadly, I think that makes up a good portion of this particular forum. Seriously, you've got people that post constantly on specs and marketing, rambling on about the flips and flops and sandals of a system, the winky-woos, the hoo-has and putting creepy religious-like faith in hype numbers and megahertz and never once post about actually fucking playing a game.

I think that's due to two things.

1. This is a DVD site that just happens to have a video game forums, so there's not that high a number of hard core gamers here. Seems to be mostly people in to home theater stuff who are casual gamers.

2. Not much game discussion due to not being many regulars really, and the regulars have different gaming tastes and habits. i.e. I rarely buy any game at launch, so buy the time I get around to playing a game, any discussion on it died long ago. For instance I'm now playing Zelda: Minish Cap and Metroid Prime 2, and them moving on to Ratchet and Clank 2. I'd like to discuss more, but everyone else already beat those months ago, so I just end up talking to myself when I bump the threads.

I can't really explain all the fascination with specs and such. I think we just have one or two diehard supporters for each console that try to promote their system of choice anyway possible.

I don't get it, I just care about the games 90% of the time with price and other things making up the other 10%.

I think everyone need to stop the bickering. (See my post in DS vs PSP) But in all reality it doesn't matter what you people think because:

Sweet i love the look!

Games? I'm buying all these consoles to watch movies on.
Still having trouble getting movies to play on my GameCube though.

Gotta add my 2 cents. I really hate the terms "hardcore gamer" or "casual gamer". What do these mean? Who made them up? They really don't define anything. One implies something but I just don't think it's accurate. I LOVE games... I have all the systems... I have been playing since the Atari VCS (2600) was out (and home versions of PONG even before that!). Maybe then I should be called hard core? But yet, I do not sit there over analyzing every game trying to pick it apart because it doesn't have this or that feature. I'm way more easy going about games than many internet posters seem to be. I don't complain just to complain, or put down something just because it's the "IN" thing to do lately. However, i put a lot of hours into gaming. I play Halo, Doom 3, Half Life 2, Animal Crossing, Zelda games, cutesie games and violent games. If a game is *fun*.. I play it. I really don't consider these so-called hardcore gamers hardcore. I consider a true gamer one that plays games because they are fun, not because it's super-realistic blood and guts. That's just one-track-gamer, which I think gets labelled hardcore for some reason.

I actually come to this site because of the minimal flaming that goes on, compared to many other internet sites. It's not my only source, tho.

I think there's a lot more people like you, that probably don't post because of the 'net has a rep of people blasting others for talking about something that they don't want to see. I say too bad for them. Skip the thread. I dont play all the games as soon as I get them. I have a back-log .. I wouldn't mind reading about an older game.. it might make me remember I wanted to get it!


this has always been the way... back when the intellivision came out.. that versus atari... then it kept going on. It's a lot like politics or sports. People seem to feel a need to justify their likes by having others feel exactly the same.

You have to soak the DVD's overnight, then put them in the dryer for 90 minutes. They will shrink.

Have you tried mini-dvd

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=8211

New Xbox 360 images - the real deal?

Rob Fahey 09:57 25/04/2005

Latest image "leak" ties in with previously reported design features

A new image purporting to be the Xbox 360 console has been "leaked" onto the Internet, and is being widely reported as the final design for the hardware, which is due to be revealed in an MTV special in under three weeks time.

The new picture shows a small platinum/silver unit with a concave design, which appears to be designed to either sit flat or stand like a miniature tower unit - all of which ties in with the information from a British source who has seen the new console which we published two weeks ago.

Crucially, the design also fits perfectly with a zoomed-in teaser image of the console released on viral marketing "game" site OurColony, and the features on the case certainly seem to fit with other reports about the Xbox 360's functionality.

Interestingly, no controller ports are visible on the front of the system - the console supports wireless controllers out of the box, while USB connections for wired controllers are apparently concealed behind a small panel on the right hand side of the fascia.

Two slots for memory units appear on the front panel, while a "hood" supposedly concealing the location of the removable hard drive module is to be found on the left hand end of the console (the top of the unit if stood upright).

The size of the unit can be divined by looking at the DVD tray, which occupies almost half of the length of the console - suggesting a device far smaller and sleeker than the current Xbox console.

It's not clear where the "leak" came from, assuming of course that it is a leak at all and not simply a very clever mock-up; however, the original image which appeared online was in CMYK colour format, which is generally used in images destined for professional printing systems.

As might be expected, Microsoft's reaction to the image has been to issue their standard response: "Microsoft don't comment on rumours and speculation."

The firm plans to unveil the Xbox 360 (even the name of which remains unconfirmed, officially) in an MTV special to be broadcast in North America on May 12th, followed by international broadcasts on May 13th.


Chris

For me a hardcore gamer is someone for who gaming is their number 1 hobby and it's the hobby that gets the most of their free time both playing, reading and talking about games.

A casual gamer is someone who plays games, but has other hobbies they enjoy more that take up more of their spare time.

IIRC, Sony has exclusive rights to the series through 2006, so that would mean a possible GTA launch title for the PS3. I don't doubt that Sony and Take Two will renew their bond time and time again. Both sides like the effect.

And PS3 is coming out next year. It has been confirmed to come with Blu-Ray support.

The only snag is that Sony and Toshiba are in talks to combine the two forms - Blu-Ray and HD-DVD - into a new form. The two solutions mentioned so far are to use Blu-Ray hardware and HD-DVD software (Sony) or to use HD-DVD hardware and Blu-Ray layering (Toshiba). Hopefully one of the two current forms will be choosen so that the hardware won't get delayed. If they decide on a completely new form, hardware will get delayed 12-18 months, meaning the potential delay of the PS3 til 2007.

I think it's been pretty much confirmed that the 360 will have a regular DVD drive. Not only because the new standard isn't figured out yet, but also to keep costs down.

But I'm wondering -- will there be some sort of option to swap the DVD drive with a bigger, better one a year or two down the road? Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, whatever. That would be cool.

No. It would confuse customers and add major $$ to development/production.

I doubt that will be an option in such a compact console, but I won't be surprised if Microsoft launches a HD-DVD drive version of the console to compete with the PS3 launch.

What purpose would that have? The games will still be on regular CD/DVD media.

There are some people that don't agree with me. That’s why it’s my opinion. And I can't see why one game (resident evil M content) would make the system not aimed at younger gamers. But I still stick with what I said before only a 485 MHz CPU granted it is IBM 18 micron process, but it isn't a PPC chip. And the audio is only 16bit DSP. Come on. That’s fine people don't share my view, but the damn thing is still a cube and looks like the puzzle box from Hellraiser so it is creepy and evil.

i just saw some more pictures. i want one NOW damnit!!! and i'm getting the hard disk too.

Anyword on how much the HD add on will cost?

If it's cheap, and buying one enables backwards compatibility in the cheaper X-box 360, the odds of me getting one would increase a good deal.

So where are the pictures ??? Come one give us the scoop!

Chris

True. But in the near future if there was some sort of HD/Blu-Ray upgrade, then game discs could be even bigger.

But I just thought of something. Game companies would probably have to release two versions of a game -- one on the new badass disc, and a "dumbed-down" version on a regular DVD for those that didn't have the "upgrade".

I've changed my mind -- it's a bad idea!

If MS released a HD-DVD version at a later date it would probably only be to take advantage of the movie aspect. I think they will have to keep the games on the same media.