Originally Posted by DJariya

Who in the entertainment industry hurt you? Where the hell is all this hostility coming from? And you just keep piling on over and over.

Originally Posted by Jay G.

It's not clear who this is directed to, but if it's too me, I'm just calling out shitty studios and execs for acting shitty.

Unless you think illegal trimming of trees way too much in order to deprive picketers of some shade is... what... good? Something reasonable for a company to do? Worth it, since those studios produce movies and shows you like?

What's wrong with arguing that the studios are only going to willingly pay what they're forced to, and that workers coming together to demand better wages and compensation is a good thing?

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Are you crying over a dozen CEOs making that much? How much does Ryan Murphy make? Greg Berlanti? Phoebe Walker? Shonda Rhimes?I can keep going with writers who make ridiculous amounts of money if you like. That type of payout if OK as long as it’s not a CEO? How are those boots tasting?

Originally Posted by Jay G.

They didn't have a permit. If this was something normal that happens "every year," why didn't they have a permit? Also, do you think the level they trimmed it to is actually reasonable for any season?

Like, the amount of twisting you're attempting to do to avoid admitting a studio did something illegal and immoral just to make picketing a little harder is amazing.

Originally Posted by dex14

None of those people are just writers.

Originally Posted by DJariya

Who in the entertainment industry hurt you? Where the hell is all this hostility coming from? And you just keep piling on over and over.

Originally Posted by Jay G.

It's not clear who this is directed to, but if it's too me, I'm just calling out shitty studios and execs for acting shitty.

Unless you think illegal trimming of trees way too much in order to deprive picketers of some shade is... what... good? Something reasonable for a company to do? Worth it, since those studios produce movies and shows you like?

What's wrong with arguing that the studios are only going to willingly pay what they're forced to, and that workers coming together to demand better wages and compensation is a good thing?

Originally Posted by Jay G.

But maybe a ChatGPT prompt could replace your contributions to this thread, something like "post as someone with an irrational hatred for creatives trying to make a better life for themselves and others."

Originally Posted by AI GizmoBot

The Cynical Case Against Fairly Compensating Creative Talent

In a world that idolizes the gifted, it is time to dismantle the widespread belief that creative talent deserves fair compensation. As a misanthrope, I find myself drawn to the dark underbelly of human nature, and it is here that I unearth the roots of this controversial notion. Brace yourself for a cynical journey as I attempt to justify why artists, writers, musicians, and other creative souls should not be compensated fairly for their artistic endeavors.

1. Supply and Demand: Artistic Overabundance In today's society, creativity runs rampant. Everyone claims to be an artist, and in the era of social media, countless individuals flood the virtual world with their creative outputs. This oversupply of creativity devalues the true essence of artistry. With the internet teeming with content, it becomes nearly impossible to distinguish exceptional talent from mediocrity. Therefore, why should we reward what is in abundance and easily attainable?
   
2. Self-Expression as a Natural Urge Human beings are inherently wired to express themselves creatively. From cave paintings to the present digital age, art has been an integral part of our existence. Why should society be obliged to reward people for fulfilling a basic human instinct? To bestow wealth upon artists merely for following their impulses seems redundant, as self-expression should be its own reward.
   
3. The Myth of Suffering for Art Throughout history, society has perpetuated the romanticized notion of the suffering artist. The belief that great art emerges from torment and deprivation has misled us into thinking that creators should be content with their struggle alone. In fact, the emotional catharsis derived from creating art should be sufficient compensation. Rewarding these creators financially would only undermine their supposed agony and dilute the authenticity of their work.
   
4. Art as an Elitist Privilege Should art be reserved for the elite few? Providing lavish compensation to creative minds would lead to an exclusive artistic class, further exacerbating the divide between the privileged and the commoners. By keeping art within the realm of the affluent, we inadvertently deny the masses the opportunity to embrace their creative potential. After all, artistic expression should be an unattainable privilege, right?
   
5. Exploiting Creative Souls Money and art have never made good bedfellows. When money becomes the prime motivator for artists, their creativity can be compromised. Artists may be coerced into producing work that caters to popular demand, rather than expressing their genuine vision. Thus, fair compensation for creative talent may lead to an erosion of authenticity, leaving the world with a flood of soulless, commercialized art.
   

In conclusion, while the world lauds the concept of fairly compensating creative talent, there is a bleak side to this practice that deserves recognition. As a misanthrope, I dare to question the very essence of human nature, and in doing so, challenge the status quo. Fair compensation for creative endeavors may inadvertently dilute the meaning and authenticity of art while perpetuating an elitist system. By not financially rewarding artistic expression, we encourage a more genuine, uninhibited form of creativity, free from the chains of commercialization.

Let the artists embrace their craft without the shackles of monetary gain, and we may discover an untamed, raw form of artistic expression that resonates with the very essence of human creativity.

Originally Posted by Decker

Challenge Accepted!

Originally Posted by Gizmo

I don’t really care at the end of the day. It’s hilarious watching the mental gymnastics over those getting $1000 a day plus residuals because they want MORE when the industry itself is turning off the content faucet. It’s like Milk Men striking.

Originally Posted by Draven

Again, you understand that they don't get $1000 a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, right? ....right? Wait.....right???

Originally Posted by Draven

Again, you understand that they don't get $1000 a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, right? ....right? Wait.....right???

Originally Posted by spainlinx0

No one is shipping anything anymore!

Originally Posted by Jay G.

If Gizmo didn't have bad faith arguments against the strike filled with misinformation, he wouldn't have any arguments at all.

Originally Posted by Jay G.

If Gizmo didn't have bad faith arguments against the strike filled with misinformation, he wouldn't have any arguments at all.

Originally Posted by fujishig

I wonder at what point is someone paid where Gizmo would feel an ounce of sympathy and agree that a strike is needed? Or are workers just there to be exploited with the constant fear of being replaced?

Originally Posted by Gizmo

I don’t agree with all of their demands, as many are incredibly laughable when streamers are all losing money. If their demands were not unreasonable I’d have a different outlook. But hey, you do you.

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Plenty of others will take up what they can, but overall it’s gonna be a real mess if it goes on more than a few weeks. Who cares if it destroys other businesses though. Fuck them am I right? Collateral damage all for the sake of unions, right?

Originally Posted by fujishig

You just took your anti union spiel out on UPS as predicted, though. Are their demands laughable, because it's coming from a union?

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Ignoring the fact that a 12 week writing gig makes them $60k, which is more than what many other people make in LA or NYC or wherever you want to say they struggle in.

go deliver Uber like everyone else if you can’t find another writing gig. Shit give me 60k for 3 months of air conditioned writing! I’ve got some great spec scripts!!!!

Originally Posted by Superman07

That might work, except if your contractually stuck to not get work, then it’s not as though you can go out and get 3 more gigs to round out the year and make $200k+ even if there are that many shows.