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Old 07-17-23 | 08:58 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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Yes, so you should understand why unions and worker solidarity would be a good thing. I guess you would prefer us as crabs pulling each other back into the boiling water.
I said the same thing about Gizmo almost two months ago.
Old 07-17-23 | 10:13 PM
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I’ll never understand being so bitter about the average worker getting a little more of the pie, and actively cheering for the wealthy to gorge themselves ever more at our expense.
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Old 07-17-23 | 11:08 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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I’ll never understand being so bitter about the average worker getting a little more of the pie, and actively cheering for the wealthy to gorge themselves ever more at our expense.
It’s sadly human nature. We’re kind of shortsighted about things like that. Look at the NBA and how much some players are making and how people bitch about it. The money has to go somewhere and I’d rather it go to the people that entertain me and not billionaires.
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Old 07-17-23 | 11:14 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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I’ll never understand being so bitter about the average worker getting a little more of the pie, and actively cheering for the wealthy to gorge themselves ever more at our expense.
While using as an Avatar, a TV character created entirely whole-cloth by a team of full-time television writers.
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Old 07-18-23 | 05:22 AM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Gizmo
Out of context, that's the same for most jobs. If you don't want it, someone else is right behind you to take it.
So tell the studio execs that if they don't want to refuse to give up any of their millions of compensation each year to pay the talent more, then those execs can just get rid of the starts people want to see and hire some of those unknowns lining up for the jobs. I fail to see why your derision is reserved entirely for the "unreasonable" writers and actors with none for the unreasonable studio heads.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
I’ll never understand being so bitter about the average worker getting a little more of the pie, and actively cheering for the wealthy to gorge themselves ever more at our expense.
I should have kept reading - this post is far more eloquent and concise than mine.
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Old 07-18-23 | 09:21 AM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
I’ll never understand being so bitter about the average worker getting a little more of the pie, and actively cheering for the wealthy to gorge themselves ever more at our expense.
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Old 07-18-23 | 10:50 AM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Not shocked at all being on a forum that loves TV and needs new episodes of NCIS back

I can’t wait to see what terrible contract they eventually take.
Old 07-18-23 | 11:04 AM
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This has nothing to do with loving TV. I’m in favor of all workers striking for better wages and working conditions. It seems like you’re the one bitter that you think these people should entertain you while starving.

If we all wanted our new shows no matter what, wouldn’t we be telling them to get back to work? What you say, as usual, isn’t really making any sense.
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Old 07-18-23 | 11:10 AM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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This has nothing to do with loving TV. I’m in favor of all workers striking for better wages and working conditions. It seems like you’re the one bitter that you think these people should entertain you while starving.

If we all wanted our new shows no matter what, wouldn’t we be telling them to get back to work? What you say, as usual, isn’t really making any sense.
minimum $1000 a day is pretty damn good to “write”. I’m sure many others, including the crew who build the sets and work 18 hour days would love that pay.

meanwhile the guilds are now telling “influencers” not to do previous jobs occupied by strikers otherwise they’ll never be members of the current striking club. Hahaha. Like they give a shit.
Old 07-18-23 | 11:18 AM
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And those people should strike for more money as well. Your disdain for their job is obvious. The pie is big enough for everyone to earn more if those at the top weren’t hoarding the wealth.

Capitalist propaganda has turned people’s brains in this country into mush. Take your scraps and be grateful! The ruling class needs their super yacht money!
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Old 07-18-23 | 11:33 AM
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minimum $1000 a day is pretty damn good to “write”. I’m sure many others, including the crew who build the sets and work 18 hour days would love that pay.
The crew have their own unions, and recently got their own pay increases after threatening to strike.

https://onlabor.org/the-aftereffects...authorization/
On January 29, 2022, postproduction staff at Vice Media ratified a new three-year agreement with the company by a 97% margin. These staff members are a part of Local 700, the Editors Guild of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE). The union members secured 40-hour workweeks, down from 50 hours, and high pay increases, up to 48.4% higher for the lowest-paid members. Were these Vice Media staffers inspired by last year’s IATSE movement in Hollywood?

From October 1 to October 3, 2021, IATSE union members associated with Hollywood producers, studios, and streamers voted to authorize a strike. Of the 89.7% of members who participated, 98.7% voted yes. Without proper contingency plans in place, movie- and TV-production sets across the country would have shut down. But just as the strike was set to start, a tentative agreement with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) was reached on October 16, 2021. On November 15, 2021, IATSE members ratified the agreemennt/
They're in support of the Writer's Strike:
https://iatse.net/iatse-president-is...ne-approaches/
The motion picture and television industry thrives on the creativity, skill, and labor of every worker involved, and writers’ contributions are an important part of the success of the films, television shows, and other media IATSE members work on. We recognize and support our fellow entertainment workers in their mission to negotiate an agreement that addresses their issues from the AMPTP, an ensemble that includes media-mega corporations collectively worth trillions of dollars.

In response to the AMPTP’s familiar resistance, the writers have taken the step of voting in favor of strike authorization, arming Writers’ Guild leadership with the authority to call a strike if the ongoing talks do not produce necessary results. As their current agreement is set to expire on May 1, 2023, I call on the AMPTP to immediately acknowledge the contributions of these talented and dedicated professionals and negotiate with their unions in good faith.
They're helping their members who've been affected by the strike:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...2m-1235511886/
As the ongoing writers strike continues to shut down film and television productions, major crew union IATSE is contributing $2 million in funds to aid members who are taking a financial hit.

The union’s general executive board has unanimously approved this contribution to be divided among three top industry charities — the Motion Picture & Television Fund, The Entertainment Community Fund and the Actors Fund of Canada — IATSE announced on Thursday. The donations are specifically designated for IATSE members in need; the over 168,000-member union represents a broad swath of crew members, from grips to sound editors to costumers.

“For those who are struggling, you are not alone, the 170,000 kin of our Alliance are with you, and help is available,” IATSE international president Matt Loeb said in a statement. “We trust these proven industry charities to deliver this much-needed support directly to IATSE members who need it most, and we will continue to explore all avenues to provide necessary assistance to our members as they weather the storm during the writers’ strike.”
Don't try and rope in the crew, as if you actually care about them, in your arguments against the writers and actors. The crew supports them, because they know the value of a union themselves. Also, I'd bet dollars to donuts you'd be slamming the crew if they ever went on strike to argue for better compensation.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by spainlinx0
And those people should strike for more money as well. Your disdain for their job is obvious. The pie is big enough for everyone to earn more if those at the top weren’t hoarding the wealth.

Capitalist propaganda has turned people’s brains in this country into mush. Take your scraps and be grateful! The ruling class needs their super yacht money!

They can’t. Most of them will be losing their homes and cars shortly, but it’s cool, writers can get a few extra bucks each week while they eat snacks.

I’m not going to change anyone’s opinion in a TV forum, so I’m not really that concerned. Just expect far less scripted when this is over and many of those writers in new careers.
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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The crew have their own unions, and recently got their own pay increases after threatening to strike.

https://onlabor.org/the-aftereffects...authorization/


They're in support of the Writer's Strike:
https://iatse.net/iatse-president-is...ne-approaches/


They're helping their members who've been affected by the strike:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...2m-1235511886/


Don't try and rope in the crew, as if you actually care about them, in your arguments against the writers and actors. The crew supports them, because they know the value of a union themselves. Also, I'd bet dollars to donuts you'd be slamming the crew if they ever went on strike to argue for better compensation.
Read comments elsewhere and the “crews” and VFX are pissed they are out of jobs. Can’t get all yours news from Pro-union Pro-writers websites (which are likely downsizing with nothing to report on).
Old 07-18-23 | 12:10 PM
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Wonder if the A-list actors are willing to take a pay cut, in support of the non-A list rank and file actors. (ie. Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc ....).
Old 07-18-23 | 12:13 PM
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Wonder if the A-list actors are willing to take a pay cut, in support of the non-A list rank and file actors. (ie. Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc ....).
Why should they take pay cuts rather than studio heads? This isn't like sports where teams have salary caps.
Old 07-18-23 | 12:15 PM
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Why should they take pay cuts rather than studio heads? This isn't like sports where teams have salary caps.
Besides the fact that Brad Pitt has literally no say in what background actors get paid in his own movies -- let alone what they're required to get paid on an unrelated TV project.
Such a ridiculous comment to make.

And by the way, those A-List actors are out there striking in support of those working actors, not for themselves.

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Old 07-18-23 | 12:18 PM
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I would be surprised if they were willing to do any pay cut. Need more cash for all those payments to ex-wives, mansions, etc ...
Old 07-18-23 | 12:19 PM
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Which is always funny to me about salary caps in sports. Who does that benefit? Only the owners. They’re all about the free market, but then they cry when it affects them. Waaahhh my team isn’t competitive because he has more money than me. Oh, yeah, sucks doesn’t it? Almost like unlimited wealth is an unfair advantage, and you only understand when you’re not the richest person in the room anymore.
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Originally Posted by morriscroy
I would be surprised if they were willing to do any pay cut. Need more cash for all those payments to ex-wives, mansions, etc ...
As opposed to the billionaires running the studios? Your anger is completely pointed in the wrong direction.
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Old 07-18-23 | 12:24 PM
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Which is always funny to me about salary caps in sports. Who does that benefit?
Good question.

Is it to improve the "resale value" of a sport teams, when the current owner decides to cash out?
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As opposed to the billionaires running the studios? Your anger is completely pointed in the wrong direction.
The zillionaires need more cash for more cocaine, high class hookers, island mansions, private jet planes, etc ....

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Originally Posted by morriscroy
I would be surprised if they were willing to do any pay cut. Need more cash for all those payments to ex-wives, mansions, etc ...
Maybe, but there are only so many A-List stars around. And they're worth it. How many people would have seen Bullet Train if it starred a no-name actor? How big would Barbie be if it starred two barely-known stars of Fox or WB shows instead of Margot Robbie and Ryan Gossling?
Now on the other hand, how popular would HBO be if someone other than Zazlov ran the company? My guess : Just as popular.
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Which is always funny to me about salary caps in sports. Who does that benefit? Only the owners. They’re all about the free market, but then they cry when it affects them. Waaahhh my team isn’t competitive because he has more money than me. Oh, yeah, sucks doesn’t it? Almost like unlimited wealth is an unfair advantage, and you only understand when you’re not the richest person in the room anymore.
Salary Caps benefit the overall league. The same way the revenue sharing and the draft structure benefit the league. The league requires some element of competitive balance.

The continued existence of the league and bolstering the overall popularity of the sport does benefit the owners, but it also benefits the players. The one thing about professional sports leagues is that there are an exact and limited number of job openings for the players.There are 1700 roster positions for NFL players. If the league did not have systems in place to keep all its teams in business, there would be fewer jobs for players to have.

Also, there is no professional sports league with a salary cap where the best players are not paid immense fortunes for their efforts, and those leagues also have minimum yearly salaries well beyond what an average person makes in a year.
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Old 07-18-23 | 01:14 PM
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Just saw today that Dwayne Johnson received the highest upfront salary ever --$50 million, for the movie Red One.

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