Josh-da-man

According to the third episode,

(Not a HUGE spoiler, but I spoilered it for this thread.)

Decker

They use this joke repeatedly in the new Lego Star Wars game when you play as Qui-Gon.

Throwing Copper

Be careful on here, everybody. Over on that other forum, the more advanced one, this thread has been locked. It's too many pages for me to mess with, but I'm sure it got crazy.

jpcamb

I watched the second episode and I do have to say the "stunts and movements" / the parkour and force stuff just looked stupid for her were terrible effects. the obsession with Obi-wan was bordering on ludicrous but nothing she did deserves to be trolled. Nothing.

Mike86

Finally got around to watching Part II last night. Better than the first episode by quite a bit in my opinion.

The city we saw was kind of cool and I liked the night setting. Young Leia kind of annoyed me at times, but overall I liked her more in the second episode versus the first one.

Also was interesting, but sad seeing the Clone veteran street beggar. Cool to see 4-LOM too or at least a droid who looks the same.

jjcool

Good to know that anyone that has any sort of criticism of the performance by Moses Ingram is going to be painted with the Racist brush. At least it isn't the misogynist brush, I guess.

dhmac

How exactly is she getting trolled? Any examples of what you are talking about?

Throwing Copper

I think young Leia was really bad in this. Not Jake Lloyd bad, but I can’t believe with a presumably nationwide casting search, this little girl was the best.

The Inquisitors were all bad.

Thank God this show has a stable and talented lead like McGregor.

Mike86

I don’t necessarily like the idea of the character being such a big part of the show, but I don’t think by child actress standards she’s that bad. She’s grown on me more as the show has gone on.

Mike86

I mean.. a lot of it was people making those types of comments about her and the character she’s portraying. Not saying that applies to you, but there were some pretty gross comments being made about her. Some bad actors had to be called out and now people are upset. Welcome to the modern age where there’s always got to be some kind of a controversy.

Decker

It was a story because she was getting all sorts of ugly racist DMs sent to her. But also on a larger level, a lot of Star Wars fans were criticizing her and it had.a bit of a racist overtone — just a “why are we getting her in such a big part, why is she being forced down our throats” sort of thing.
Sure one can criticize a bad performance by an actor of color without being racist. But I don’t think she’s bad at all. And I was checking some reviews out to see if any TV critics thought she was bad :
— Hollywood Reporter

— Variety

- USA Today

- Chicago Sun-Times

Sepinwall at least addresses the underwritten motivation, but doesn’t criticize the actor’s performance :
If all these critics, whose job is literally to critique the performances don’t have an issue with Ingram in this role, I don’t think there actually is one.

For those interested, I recommend checking out the Instant Reaction to Episode 3 of Obi Wan on The Ringerverse Podcast on Spotify where “The Midnight Boys”, who are all African American (I think) discuss in great detain the underlying toxicity of a large part of the Star Wars fan base, and why it’s so hard for some to accept people of color in larger roles in their favorite IPs. It was upsetting but an eye-opening debate they had at the beginning of the podcast.

story

I forgot to write about this here, but when I showed this to our kids who are in elementary school, the first scene at the Jedi Temple started. They both immediately said something to the effect of, "Oh, it's a school. It's like the school shooting in Texas. That teacher is trying to save them. This is really sad." It hit them hard. We paused and talked about it for a bit, then moved on. It was not lost on them at all. The last few nights, we've been watching some of Revenge of the Sith to catch up on the backstory and when the Jedi Temple scene happened, they went right back to that same place emotionally. We talked about it again. Tough stuff.

Josh-da-man

^ Yeah, and don't forget the Sequel Trilogy, where they made the antagonist another fucking school shooter -- with a dose of creepy incel stalker thrown into the mix as well.

But then he felt kind of bad about killing his dad, so we can forgive him.

E Unit

Fuck, this is really not good. I’m bailing after the first episode. It’s slow like the sequel trilogy, slow and uninteresting story, more stupid politics talk, and the woman Jedi hunter is pretty damn annoying.And hey, let’s cut off a woman’s hand! Yeah, as someone who grew up on Star Wars, less is more in this case. Sticking a fork in this turd of a franchise at this point. I’d rather waste time on just about any other show now.

TGM

well... bye.

E Unit

Oh don’t get me wrong, Disney will continue to churn this crap out. So you all have nothing to worry about there.

TGM

I think you just need to turn your adult mind off and enjoy the ride with Star Wars. Or, if you simply cannot do it anymore, then leave like you say you are, and I commend you for it.

Nothing will beat the OT for me, primarily because I was a kid when they came out. But even as an adult I can see that they are (especially Ep4 and 5) far superior to anything that's come after it.

The prequels were generally boring CGI fests with terrible writing and acting (save for Macgregor and Mcdiarmid). The Force Awakens was a complete retread but introduced a cool new sandbox that Rian Johnson then proceeded to shit all over. Rise of Skywalker was a desperate attempt to course correct while also trying to deal with the death of Fisher which just felt rushed and ultimately unsatisfying. The Mandalorian is generally enjoyable but still can have some eye rolling groan inducing scenes. The Book of Boba Fett castrated one of the biggest badasses in the SW universe. I've watches bits and pieces of The Clone Wars and Rebels, and they seem fine for what they are, cartoons for kids. I really enjoyed the Bad Batch actually, loved the concept. So basically I'm saying my relationship with SW has had its ups, downs, and sideways.

Kenobi was more of a sideways for me. Reva and her storyline are laughable and unnecessary. But this show paints Vader like you've rarely seen him before... a great white shark... it's great seeming him being this relentless tyrant and the battles between Kenobi and Vader are some of the best in the entire cinematic history and worth watching just for that.

I've come to terms that no new Star Wars will ever match what I felt as a boy watching the OT, but for the most part, good, bad, or meh, every SW offering since has provided at the very least a couple of scenes that made me feel like that little boy again, so for that, I'm always going to give every SW show a full chance, because those feelings are few and far between in our lives as we get older and more jaded.

E Unit

Never said I was going for leave it, just this show - and any other that doesn’t expand this universe rather than treading the same boring themes. This is a universe that can add to and expand for new generations. And these writers or whoever is running this doesn’t have the sense to do any of that. They just go and pull up whatever old words and worlds and continue to drone on about that.

Biggest beef I have if that they have rarely done that. The Mandalorian gave the TV universe a great start, then just went back to the prequel trilogy nonsense of the parts that do nothing for this universe.

I’m like you, I grew up in it, that doesn’t mean we need to embrace it, when even having to “turn adult mind off”. Zero need for us to have to do that. My relationship with SW also has had its ups, downs, and sideways, but I refuse to just bow down to whatever is getting thrown at us. But bottom line is that this show isn’t good at all. I may try the rest of the episodes at some point, cause Star Wars, but not anytime soon.