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Old 01-20-20, 08:23 AM
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I remember reading the original story a few years back, but never knew of the Internet folks who took it upon themselves to find this guy, and who did an amazing job in doing so.

Luka Rocco Magnotta without a doubt set out to murder and used movies as a reference point. It's a very well done documentary and seeing that he killed animals is awful. The people's reaction to this is stronger than anything, even the murder of Jun Lin.

Highly recommended for anyone that doesn't know the story or likes true life crime, but not easy going as I say for some people who are big animal lovers. It doesn't show much, but enough to make you sick to your stomach and wish this guy dead.
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I had to look away from the screen whenever they would show the clips of the videos Luka posted. I was surprised I didnt hear about this when it happened
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There was some talk in Other about this in the thread of the actual event: https://forum.dvdtalk.com/other-talk...t-florida.html

I thought the doc was crazy. That guy was insane... especially with the movies he was trying to emulate. Unreal.
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It's crazy how he had planned an alibi months before starting his spree.
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When I saw the preview, I thought it was a spoof like American Vandal because of the title. The FaceBook group that gathered all the evidence did a great job analyzing everything.
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Put this on the other morning while looking for something to kill a little time. My wife came in about 30 minutes into the first episode. After the second episode I had some things I needed to do ... she said ďOh no, Iím not waiting until tonight to watch the last part!Ē

Wow that was freaky! My only complaint, as I often complain about with many documentaries, was the passage of time was unclear. I think defining that a little better would have made the story of the internet group even more powerful. I was kind of shocked to learn that it was only about two years.

At first, I thought the female detective was in over her head ... then I realized English was not her native language. By the end I realized she was in over her head (emotionally). Seeing her break down was kind of chilling.

After seeing the motherís interviews ... it makes sense. Although I did wonder if there wasnít somebody else there filming. It was hard to tell since this documentary only showed clips.

Damn good and utterly fascinating!

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My biggest question is whose hand was that in the python video ( I think it was that one). I would’ve thought the Facebook group would’ve mentioned that but maybe it was edited out so the mom could mention it.
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My biggest question is whose hand was that in the python video ( I think it was that one).
His female neighbor, the owner of the snake. That footage at the end of the vid was sliced together with the rest.

The Facebook nerds didn't actually accomplish anything, except push the depressed troll to suicide and possibly get Luka to escalate to killing a person.
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I saw this about 4-6 weeks ago. It's a good encapsulation of the case, but I imagine one would find it much more engrossing if one is not at all familiar with the story. I found the two Facebook group members a little too self-congratulatory, though they do deserve their hour of glory for their impassioned efforts to identify the psychopath. The Toronto police dropped the ball big-time. Had they acted on the tips, Magnotta might not have been able to murder a human being, though this is questionable because he would unfortunately not have gotten much time for the detestable animal cruelty.
I thought Magnotta was incredibly, almost comically, conceited in his screen tests for modeling shoots and reality shows, or whatever the hell they were. His put-on deep voice and tongue faux-seductively sticking out made me want to reach through the screen and slap the shit out of him.
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What I was struck with after watching all this is that it all is a real life, 21st century, Rear Window. The Facebook squad are like Jimmy Stewart and they can’t stop watching. They’re convinced of guilt and their hunting for evidence and they can’t get the police to believe them. In Hitchcock’s film the killer dismembers the body and takes it out in suitcases too. It’s all so strange. The more you look the more you become implicated.

Now get ready because I’m going to go there. The only major problem I had with the film is that the lead Facebook sleuth woman is so off putting. Her voice, her intonation, her exaggerated enthusiasm were all grating. But her looks. Oh my goodness. I considered turning it off every time she was on screen. If I were the filmmaker I would have honestly made the choice to do that thing where you film the witnesses in darkness. I’d make up the conceit that want anonymity.
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His female neighbor, the owner of the snake. That footage at the end of the vid was sliced together with the rest.

The Facebook nerds didn't actually accomplish anything, except push the depressed troll to suicide and possibly get Luka to escalate to killing a person.
Thanks for the explanation!
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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume View Post
The Toronto police dropped the ball big-time. Had they acted on the tips, Magnotta might not have been able to murder a human being, though this is questionable because he would unfortunately not have gotten much time for the detestable animal cruelty.
Toronto police actually listened and followed up, but he had moved already. The Montreal police ignored them however.

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Now get ready because I’m going to go there. The only major problem I had with the film is that the lead Facebook sleuth woman is so off putting. Her voice, her intonation, her exaggerated enthusiasm were all grating. But her looks. Oh my goodness. I considered turning it off every time she was on screen. If I were the filmmaker I would have honestly made the choice to do that thing where you film the witnesses in darkness. I’d make up the conceit that want anonymity.
It's funny because I found another youtube vid on this case and they blacked out her face.
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The Facebook nerds didn't actually accomplish anything, except push the depressed troll to suicide and possibly get Luka to escalate to killing a person.
This actually comes up a few times, from them no less, and is a theme/message of the film. It would be an interesting topic to delve further into, but Iím not sure how you would do it.

On one hand, they didnít just stand by and watch something terrible happen. But did their attention just encourage his escalation? From internet trolls to the President, I think there is precedence for that argument in our society in general.
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The Facebook nerds didn't actually accomplish anything, except push the depressed troll to suicide and possibly get Luka to escalate to killing a person.
I watched this and pretty much came away with this thought as well. Luka is mentally ill for sure however along with his mom. It does seem he escalated because of them; as in trying to shock them more.
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Criminal profiling has shown that animal cruelty is an early indicator and that animal cruelty sometimes progresses to murder. And that can and does happen without any goading from Internet antagonists. So it’s possible he would have become a murderer without their feedback and stalking.
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Toronto police actually listened and followed up, but he had moved already. The Montreal police ignored them however.
That's not what I recall, but it has been several weeks since I saw it. I remember being outraged that the Toronto police did nothing when contacted by the Facebook group about the cat videos. What's this about the "depressed troll who committed suicide"? I have no recollection of that.
As far as Magnotta, he's a narcissistic psychopath. He would more than likely have killed whether or not the Internet sleuths had been on his tail. I wonder if he exhibited the two other traits of the "serial killer triad": bed-wetting and arson, in addition to animal cruelty.
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That's not what I recall, but it has been several weeks since I saw it. I remember being outraged that the Toronto police did nothing when contacted by the Facebook group about the cat videos. What's this about the "depressed troll who committed suicide"? I have no recollection of that.
As far as Magnotta, he's a narcissistic psychopath. He would more than likely have killed whether or not the Internet sleuths had been on his tail. I wonder if he exhibited the two other traits of the "serial killer triad": bed-wetting and arson, in addition to animal cruelty.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dont-f...nternet-killer

"Deanna and John were happy to oblige, using their shrewd analysis of the video, and the power of the internet, to dig up info on his whereabouts. A second post only further escalated matters, replete with attention being mistakenly drawn to a Namibia-based suspect who—following a storm of online harassment—took his own life." This was the "Jamsey Cramsalot" troll. He took credit for the original kitten vid, got doxxed and harassed and killed himself.

"Using Google Maps and GPS data embedded in a photo, Deanna and John pinpointed the location of Luka’s Toronto apartment complex. After cops failed to find Luka there..."

Reading his psych report now, and Luka was psychotic (possibly schizophrenic) more than psychopathic (they're different) and had personality disorders. Guy was weird and nobody liked him.

https://www.scribd.com/document/2469...nt-of-Magnotta

Some of this is brutal. Page 16. Classmate "described him as "sad little kid" who was small, immature and "odd" for his age. He tended to spend time with other socially awkward kids or children with cerebral palsy. He was in fact "almost too odd to be a target for bullying." He did not speak much, was shy and and was preoccupied with his hair that he slicked back and would not allow anyone to touch. He became agitated if others were in his personal space and was so easily upset that other kids avoided him." Fascinating reading. Was on welfare, got into escorting and that seemed to really warp his already unstable brain. Really comes across as pathetic and desperate for attention more than anything. He deeply loved his grandmother and one boyfriend and wasn't charming at all. Psychiatrists were split on whether he was actually schizophrenic, but he definitely has histrionic, anti-social, narcissistic and borderline personality disorders.

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^Very interesting background on Magnotta. Yes, there's a big difference between schizophrenia (psychosis) and those other conditions, which are not deemed exculpatory mental disorders, unlike psychosis.
I did not remember the guy who committed suicide at all. Strange.
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I plowed through this last night. Having no knowledge of the case, I found it riveting. However, I hate it when docs bring up stuff - things you think would be a big deal - but then don't address them fully. My three biggesst "huh?" moments, which I had to turn to google to answer this morning:

1) Who was the second person in the python video? (Answer: The unsuspecting neighbor.)
2) How did Luka find out that the woman worked in a casino? (Answer: she initially joined the FB group under her regular account and only switched to the anonymous one well into the investigation.)
3) How was a failed actor/model able to afford apartments and all of that traveling? (Answer: identity theft, maxed out credit cards, disability checks, sugar daddy funding, etc.)
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The Facebook nerds didn't actually accomplish anything, except push the depressed troll to suicide and possibly get Luka to escalate to killing a person.
They're the Indiana Jones in this particular Raiders of the Lost Ark.

It's weird that for all that sleuthing, nothing really got accomplished. To be fair, they did try, and they identified the guy before the police did.
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It's weird that for all that sleuthing, nothing really got accomplished. To be fair, they did try, and they identified the guy before the police did.
I mean, they didn't identify him. An anonymous account tipped them off and that account was almost certainly Luka himself.
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They're the Indiana Jones in this particular Raiders of the Lost Ark.

It's weird that for all that sleuthing, nothing really got accomplished. To be fair, they did try, and they identified the guy before the police did.
They should have put their top men on it. Top men.
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I finally watched this. Really engrossing - I'm surprised it's not surpassing "Tiger King" with buzz because I would recommend both, but this even more than that.

I thought the Facebook people investigating him did a marvellous job. I think saying their activity caused him to escalate his crimes is missing that his psyche was going to continue to do worse and worse things until he got the attention he thought he deserved. If you watch the show closely, only after the Facebook group's activity went down and they stopped being so active in trying to find him is when he upped his horrible criminal activity. He wanted people to be trying to find him because it was like a game to him. That's why he revealed his name to them via one of his sock puppet accounts - it was to keep the game going. If the Facebook group's activity had still stayed low after he started putting out new videos, he probably would've continued to up the horribleness of his crimes until he got the major attention he thought he deserved again. Attention didn't drive his crimes, lack of attention did.

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