Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
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What I'm saying is that they could have come up with this season and had it turn out just as good if they had self-imposed a 12 month deadline. That would have given them twice as long as network shows have to do twice as many episodes.
Now, could they have done as well in 5 months, like network shows have? Maybe, maybe not, but there is no way you can tell me they spent as much time per day on this thing as network show writers and producers do.
Now, could they have done as well in 5 months, like network shows have? Maybe, maybe not, but there is no way you can tell me they spent as much time per day on this thing as network show writers and producers do.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
And what I'm saying is your deadline point is moot. They couldn't have gone into filming even if the whole season was written because it had to with an actor issue, not writing and production. The show's premiere dates were on a generally consistent basis the first three years. The last two were longer because of factors that had nothing do with a lazy work ethic.
And the point isn't moot, apparently, because the ratings are not what I'm sure AMC hoped for. Why? Well, when you go a year and a half between seasons you lose ratings momentum. The excitement wears off. The ratings are good, but not as good as they should be for this show. The longer the break, the harder it is to get the viewers back on board, and the harder it is to win over new viewers.
I remember reading interviews with the producers after the last season, and their attitude was, "What, me worry?" At least when it came to getting the show back on the air in a reasonable amount of time. They made it clear that they weren't going to rush anything. That doesn't exactly sound like a bunch of people working their asses off to get something done. They took their time. They worked at a relaxed pace - and that's fine up to a point.
But I don't think this season was as good as the previous seasons, so that extra time didn't make the show any better.
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And, on top of that, BCS isn't a "case of the week" type of show like Law and Order where they can have a bunch of writers cranking out episodes independently of each other. Each season is, essentially, one long story.
And, of course, the production values are feature-film quality (or even above that in some cases) and that's going to take time to do all of the locations shoots, setting up the complicated camera work, all of the post-production work, etc. This isn't hacked out like some 1970s sitcom, it's meticulously made. And then they probably have to accommodate actors' schedules; Esposito alone is an in-demand actor.
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I would think that one factor in "the gap" would also be that it's a series on cable, and since the cable networks don't have a lot of original programming, they need to spread the handful of original programming that they have around the calendar in a way that network tv doesn't. There are all kinds of considerations at play here... scheduling it around Walking Dead, having a suitable series to show after it (since BCS is an established series, they'll want the slot following it to have a new series that the audience might be interested in).
And, on top of that, BCS isn't a "case of the week" type of show like Law and Order where they can have a bunch of writers cranking out episodes independently of each other. Each season is, essentially, one long story.
And, of course, the production values are feature-film quality (or even above that in some cases) and that's going to take time to do all of the locations shoots, setting up the complicated camera work, all of the post-production work, etc. This isn't hacked out like some 1970s sitcom, it's meticulously made. And then they probably have to accommodate actors' schedules; Esposito alone is an in-demand actor.
And, on top of that, BCS isn't a "case of the week" type of show like Law and Order where they can have a bunch of writers cranking out episodes independently of each other. Each season is, essentially, one long story.
And, of course, the production values are feature-film quality (or even above that in some cases) and that's going to take time to do all of the locations shoots, setting up the complicated camera work, all of the post-production work, etc. This isn't hacked out like some 1970s sitcom, it's meticulously made. And then they probably have to accommodate actors' schedules; Esposito alone is an in-demand actor.
months.
You mentioned Esposito, he could’ve been the talent issue. He did 10 episodes of that Godfather of Harlem show and that shot fall 2018. Or, it could’ve just been a personal issue with someone. I said actor in my last post, but the quote was “talent needs”. Could’ve been in regards to creators, I guess.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
Thinking about Nacho's actions at the end. Once Lalo still being up meant the hit wasn't going to go according to plan, Nacho then should've done nothing given he had no "Abort" option (a surprising screw-up by Gus). He should've just sat there, drinking with Lalo until the hit team either improvised a way in (in which he could've played innocent) or canceled their hit and left.
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I'm sorry if I'm not impressed with 10 episodes done in 18 months. Maybe I'm just getting old and remember how it used to be and prefer that.
And the location shooting and whatnot for that show isn't as hard as you make it out to be. They shoot in and around Albequerque. They're not going out of state. They've got a bunch of local spots where they do the shooting. It's not THAT hard. If it were a 20 episode season with a limited writing staff, extensive location shooting, and sketchy actor availability I might be with you. But 10 episodes?
Again, this season was very, very good - but not as good as the previous seasons, and the ratings have just been good. Not as good as they should be. The long wait had to play a role there. Out of sight, out of mind. Excitement diminishes over time.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
Honestly, I don't think the show has ever been quite the same since they killed Chuck.
He was the perfect foil for Jimmy. Now Jimmy's kind of his own enemy.
Don't get me wrong, I still love BCS. I like it more than BB. But this season just seemed to be lacking something that the previous seasons had. I just can't put my finger on what that is.
He was the perfect foil for Jimmy. Now Jimmy's kind of his own enemy.
Don't get me wrong, I still love BCS. I like it more than BB. But this season just seemed to be lacking something that the previous seasons had. I just can't put my finger on what that is.
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Fantastic finale. Really intrigued how they tie up all the story lines in the final season. The fates of Lalo, Nacho, and Kim have me on the edge of my seat.
Funny coincidence, but the actor who plays Lalo is also in Sense8 (it's a minor role though), which I've been watching for the first time. Looks just like his character in BCS too. Hope to see more of this actor, he's great.
Funny coincidence, but the actor who plays Lalo is also in Sense8 (it's a minor role though), which I've been watching for the first time. Looks just like his character in BCS too. Hope to see more of this actor, he's great.
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I was starting to get annoyed/bored with Chuck as he served his limited purpose and anything more would've been repetitive. In fact, he was probably kept around a season too long as it was. Glad they moved on from him - he was starting to drag the show down.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
He was, in one respect, the Frank Burns of the show. He never got to grow much. Yeah, he started to overcome his faux problem with electrical fields (in his head), but he never grew otherwise. He was still the same guy. But for those early seasons he was great, they just ran into a situation where he either had to grow as a character, or be written off in some way.
This season just felt off. They never really replaced Chuck, and whether or not you thought he had run his course, they didn't adequately replace him on the show with a foil for Jimmy. Jimmy was his own enemy, and that changed the dynamic of the show. Maybe you like that better (I'm sure some people do). I know Jimmy has to self destruct and become the slimeball shyster lawyer from Breaking Bad, but this season felt more like a BB knock off than it's own thing (which it had felt like up to this point).
Like I said, though, I still love the show and I can't wait for the next (and final) season.
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This season seemed to fly by but I ended up liking Lalo as much, if not more than Nacho & was actually rooting for him during this episode.
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Rhea Seehorn is my favorite actress right now, cannot wait to see her in something else to see if it carries over, in this show she is phenomenal
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
They put out this season wrap-up video with a little looking ahead to next season in it:
Vince Gilligan "I'm worried about Nacho."
Peter Gould "And also what's going to happen when Gus and Mike find out that Lalo is on his way back to Albuquerque?"
So Lalo won't be just staying in Mexico and sending men back to deal with Gus, he's coming back himself to deal with things. And which means Saul Goldman will still be his lawyer now that he won't be a bail jumper.
Vince Gilligan "I'm worried about Nacho."
Peter Gould "And also what's going to happen when Gus and Mike find out that Lalo is on his way back to Albuquerque?"
So Lalo won't be just staying in Mexico and sending men back to deal with Gus, he's coming back himself to deal with things. And which means Saul Goldman will still be his lawyer now that he won't be a bail jumper.
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From the Alan Sepinwall interview with Gould and Gilligan
Do Gilligan and Gould know how the series ends?
The co-creators famously don’t plan very far ahead with their storytelling. “We see about three inches down the road at any particular moment,” Gould likes to say. When, for instance, they open a season with Jimmy’s post-Breaking Bad persona, Gene from Cinnabon, in trouble, they joke that figuring out what happens next is something someone else will have to deal with the following year. As Gilligan puts it, “That’s a future Peter problem!”
But while writing Season Five, Gould says, “The fog started to clear slightly about where we were going with all of this. So we started to think about how this all relates to where we’re going. Having said that, I don’t want to say we’ve got it all figured out. I’m very happy to have Vince in the writers room this season, even though we’re doing it remotely, because we’re getting to finish this thing that we started together. But we’re deep in the struggle. Even though we have ideas about where we’re going, we’re always ready to jettison them.”
When it came time to write the Season Five finale, Gould realized that they hadn’t gotten around to a lot of story ideas they had hoped to include. This happens each season, and Gould always reassures himself by saying that they’ll get to them eventually. But for next season, “We have these 13 episodes, and that’s it. There’s no ‘eventually’ anymore.”
5 Burning Questions About the ‘Better Call Saul’ Season 5 Finale — Answered
Do Gilligan and Gould know how the series ends?
The co-creators famously don’t plan very far ahead with their storytelling. “We see about three inches down the road at any particular moment,” Gould likes to say. When, for instance, they open a season with Jimmy’s post-Breaking Bad persona, Gene from Cinnabon, in trouble, they joke that figuring out what happens next is something someone else will have to deal with the following year. As Gilligan puts it, “That’s a future Peter problem!”
But while writing Season Five, Gould says, “The fog started to clear slightly about where we were going with all of this. So we started to think about how this all relates to where we’re going. Having said that, I don’t want to say we’ve got it all figured out. I’m very happy to have Vince in the writers room this season, even though we’re doing it remotely, because we’re getting to finish this thing that we started together. But we’re deep in the struggle. Even though we have ideas about where we’re going, we’re always ready to jettison them.”
When it came time to write the Season Five finale, Gould realized that they hadn’t gotten around to a lot of story ideas they had hoped to include. This happens each season, and Gould always reassures himself by saying that they’ll get to them eventually. But for next season, “We have these 13 episodes, and that’s it. There’s no ‘eventually’ anymore.”
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It started 6 years before and is now currently 4 years before in Season 5. The flashforwards are 5 years after.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
Yeah, I got the forwards, but wasn’t sure how far back and figured it caught up a little. Thanks.
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I’ve started thinking maybe Gene has decided to go to Kim (wherever that is) when he announces he will handle “it” himself. Who else would he go to that is a known character from the BCS/BB world in his timeline? I suppose he could mean literally handle it all by himself. But that seems unlikely.
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Breaking Bad started in 2008. I thought we saw a document in BCS that said 2005. Either way, that's a lot of time to cover in one season.
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It’s going to take some serious time jumps if it is actually going to get anywhere near the BB timeline. Four years is a lot of ground to cover in 13 episodes. Considering there will likely be some Gene story (post BB) it’s even less than that. So any assumptions along the lines of “Saul wouldn’t act like XYZ in BB if XYZ has just happened” probably don’t mean much.
I’ve started thinking maybe Gene has decided to go to Kim (wherever that is) when he announces he will handle “it” himself. Who else would he go to that is a known character from the BCS/BB world in his timeline? I suppose he could mean literally handle it all by himself. But that seems unlikely.
I’ve started thinking maybe Gene has decided to go to Kim (wherever that is) when he announces he will handle “it” himself. Who else would he go to that is a known character from the BCS/BB world in his timeline? I suppose he could mean literally handle it all by himself. But that seems unlikely.
Lalo tells Hector that Tuco will be a free man again in 11 months. Tuco’s first appearance on Breaking Bad doesn’t say how long it’s been since he got out of prison (which is where Skinny Pete met him), but it’s June 2004 on Saul right now, and Breaking Bad starts in September 2008. So either Tuco was out much longer than it seemed in “Crazy Handful of Nothin'” (where, from Jesse’s perspective, he has only just taken over distribution from the late Krazy-8), or he may have some additional incarceration in his future. But Lalo’s suggestion that someone needs to keep an eye on Tuco provides us with a possible explanation for why Hector is living in squalor with Tuco circa BB Season Two rather than staying in the nursing home. Depending on what happens to Nacho, Hector may be the only trusted person left in the crew by the time Tuco gets paroled.
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Re: Better Call Saul (S5E10) -- Season Finale -- "Something Unforgivable" -- 4/20/20
I think I read (maybe saw myself) their marriage license said 2004. BB starts out in September 2008
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The marriage certificate was May 2004.