ben12

Fixed!
Guess I wasn't lying when I said I wasn't up on my lore!

The Valeyard

The gas attack is referencing the 1996 comic Kingdom Come.

whotony

He seemed to be the future version of Superman Returns that became Kingdom Come Superman.

whotony

Is there a list of the Earth numbers and why they are each specific number.

Some are obvious but others not so much.
Earth-99 for example.

DJariya

The Welling and Durance "cameo" was fine. I wasn't expecting more since it was reported that he only filmed for 1 day. It was a nice nod to Smallville and was basically a little easter egg to the fans. I when he decked Cryer’s Luthor. 2 of the writers of this episode worked on Smallville.

Wasn't expecting Conroy's Bruce Wayne to be dark and basically evil.

Loved Routh getting back into Clark Kent and Superman. He really felt like he was the character from the 2006 movie again. His version of Supes really makes Hoechlin's version seem like a wimp. There is a lot of positive feedback online about Routh playing Superman again.

I admit, the Lazarus pit being used to bring back Ollie was the last thing that crossed my mind. Funny seeing Jonah Hex again.

The hour went by really fast. I feel like they have a lot to get through on part 3 tomorrow until the 1 month break.

DJariya

Oh shit. Just finished Black Lightning and tonight's episode was indeed part of the Crossover. Jefferson's entire family was taken out by the Anti matter storm as the cliffhanger. But he was grabbed by somebody before it happened.

But, if you bailed on Black Lightning, the story probably wouldn't make any sense to you. The anti matter storm is a background element to the story tonight about his daughter battling her inner demons and meeting other counterparts of her along with the ASA arc that started the year.

dex14

So... it's just the end of the episode for something that mattered towards the crossover?

DWilson

1999 was the year "Batman Beyond" began, where Kevin Conroy played the older Batman, closer to the "Crisis" version.

stingermck

Totally made sense that Smallville Clark gave up his powers. He never wanted them anyway

Tom Banjo

I do hope none of you jizzing your pants over these cameos have been in the Mandalorian threads complaining about “fan service,” because these 2 episodes so far have been so heavy on the fan service that the plot has barely had a chance to progress. It feels like they’re treading water to an extent to stretch this out to 5 episodes. Don’t get me wrong, I’m enjoying it, but so far it’s not been as balls to the wall crazy as I’d have expected. Hopefully things pick up now that the bulk of the fan service cameos are out of the way.
Oh yeah, I can’t remember if this has been mentioned here also, or just on the subreddits for these shows, but I’m now on board with the theory that will play a role in retrieving Oliver’s soul, and that Oliver will

The Valeyard

Incase you want to catch up on Black Lightning, the ending to the episode is on YouTube. If you really want to skip ahead, Jefferson joins the Crisis in the last minute of the clip.

fujishig

So I watched the first part, Supergirl, with my young son last night. I had watched Supergirl season 1 and parts of the last season, and also parts of Flash, but otherwise went in blind. They do a very good job of mimicking a comic book crossover where it's basically impenetrable to someone coming in new. Like it was just a collection of scenes that didn't flow together at all but featured what I'm sure are a lot of fanservice moments. Superman and Lois pass away! Oh wait, they were saved offscreen. The baby is lost! Offscreen. Superman's depressed!

Plus, my 6 year old is like, why in the world are Green Arrow and his daughter here, what are they supposed to be doing with just arrows (he's a big superhero fan)?

DJariya

The Anti Matter storm is a background element to the Black Lighting. It’s causing issues with Jefferson’s youngest daughter. The end scene is basically the segue, but if you tried to watch the entire episode and don’t follow the show anymore, you would be completely bored and lost.

dex14

Watching that clip was enough. It is pretty much exactly how I thought they would handle it.

Deftones

Nailed the bringing back Oliver and Earth-38. No way they were letting either of those stay the way it is. Is it me, or was Routh's suit (business) before he changed way too big for him. There was like a ridiculous amount of slack in the collar. It was distracting.

I never watched Smallville, so I didn't care about the Welling cameo, but I know why they did it.

Conroy was the best part of the episode. Basically just shut your eyes, listen and you can see him as Batman.

stingermck

Traditionally Clark wears loose fitting suits to hide how big he is.

I really enjoyed Cryer as Lex last year, so seeing him so involved here is great.

ben12

It was weird, I could only hear his Batman if he wasn't on-screen (or I closed my eyes). But if I was looking at him talking, I couldn't hear it.

Giantrobo

Yeah it was like Harrison Ford coming back to Star Wars and being killed off. Welling came back and got what he wanted just like Ford.

dex14

I couldn't hear it at all.

PhantomStranger

It was fun seeing Welling back with Durance, though I really expected something better from that scene. You could tell the writers were at a loss for what to do with Welling since they couldn't get Michael Rosenbaum.

Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come and Donner's Superman has easily been the real highlight of this crossover so far. That is a fantastic costume and Routh still looks like he belongs in the suit. Makes Tyler's Superman look like a wimp.

I would love to see DC Universe getting a Brandon Routh series playing this character as the lead. I bet Johns gets Routh to appear as this Superman for his Stargirl series. It's rumored that her show will be set on its own Earth after Crisis with more Golden Age characters around.

fujishig

Having finally caught up, I agree that Routh's Supes is the highlight. Unfortunately they both saddled him with the Kingdom Come baggage AND the Superman Returns son, but it's not like those are going to come into play after this. That CGI Superman v. Superman fight though...

Did I miss an explanation on why they don't just round up heroes from every universe instead of, you know, unleashing Lex Luthor to ruin hundreds of Earths?

stingo

But if you stuck with Black Lightning, I think it was a great look at how the Crisis looks on the ground without any prior knowledge of it.

I am not so sure that Jennifer was taken out since she seemed to be modulating between universes (and meeting her doppelgangers) so I think it's possible she just happened to land on Earth 1.

Did they ever say which earth Black Lightning takes place on?

stingo

As for Crisis Part 2, there were times when they introduced Brandon Routh's Superman that I could distinctly hear and see Christopher Reeve.

The Valeyard

That's one of the reasons why he was cast in Superman Returns.

Tom Banjo

Apparently they did NOT give BL’s Earth a number. Also a lot of people are trying to say that the Earth 1 and Earth 2 from the episode are not necessarily the same as the Arrowverse Earth-1 & 2 designations, but more of a narrative way to differentiate the different versions of Jen. I’m not sure I agree with that idea.* At this point it should be an assumption that enough viewers are up to speed on which Earth is which from the other shows. Hopefully things will get cleared up tonight when



*The idea does have merit, though. Earth-2 Jen is evil like that’s world’s doppelgängers tend to be. And Earth-2 should have already been erased by this point in the story, by several days or weeks. It also implied that the Earth-1 Jen is also erased, and simultaneously with Earth-2, but it’s obvious that’s not the case on CoIE. Plus, if that was really the real Earth-1, it also opens the question of why the ASA and the Markovians only care about the Freeland metas with all the crap that’s been going for the last several years in Central City.
The only thing I can think of its that Argus is either connected to the ASA, or more powerful than them, and Lyla has already warned Odell to stay the F out.