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Old 06-27-16 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Infidel
I think more of Margery's intent will be revealed with whatever her grandmother is planning. She'll tell someone what the flower on the paper meant, and Margery's death will take on a little more of a tragic meaning.

I have to disagree with what one of the guys said during the "after the episode" thing. He said if Cersei had been there for Tommen he might not have jumped out that window, and that she failed him in that regard. I don't think Cersei meant to be there with him. I think she wanted him to see it, and know what he helped bring about. The Mountain could have brought Tommen to Cersei with no effort at all, so it had to be her intent to get Tommen out of the way to get herself on the throne. After all, it was Tommen who called for her to be tried, so I'm sure her thinking was "I'll just have to take the little bastard out, too."
I don't think Cersei meant for Tommen to die. She does in fact love her children. As she has remarked thats her one redeeming factor. I do think she was angry with how much of a spineless twerp hes been and how he essentially hung her out to dry. But with all of her enemies dead she could have easily bent Tommen to do whatever she wanted. So he would have still been the king but she would have been pulling his strings.

Cersei may be queen now. But she has destroyed all her alliances (except the Freys who seem pretty useless) and her own house to get it. As someone mentioned earlier shes not much of a forward thinker. Shes a hammer, if you want to put a nail through a wall, the hammer can get it done. Ask the hammer to build you a ship and the hammer will tell you "I can put a nail through a wall".
Old 06-27-16 | 08:44 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by dave-o
Great episode....

A couple of my favorite moments (other than the big ones):

Getting a chance to see Margery be herself again and figure everything out, only to be ignored and die a moment later.

The Queen of Roses telling the Sand Snakes to shut the fuck up. Perfect.
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Originally Posted by rw2516
After Dany conquers King's Landing and the south she'll move north to take out Jon Snow.
Snow will force her into a truce/alliance against the coming battle with White Walkers and army of the dead.
During the lull before the battle they start fooling around.
In the end Jon and Dany rule as king and queen. Everybody lives happily ever after.
This, more or less, is what I expect to happen. I don't think Jon and Dany's forces will ever fight though. She'll threaten to crush them if they don't "bend the knee" and recognize her as ruler of Westeros. Jon is not interested in a fight with her, tells her about the White Walkers and that is who they need to face together.
Old 06-27-16 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
Joffrey had them killed to prevent that from happening.
Cersei. I don't Joffrey even knew that his lineage truly was, did he?
Old 06-27-16 | 08:58 AM
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Old 06-27-16 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lastblade
All kidding aside, did anyone got a weird vibe from the serving girl (Arya's disguise) who was hitting on Jamie? Now I am not sure if that was Arya or the real serving girl.
I had that thought also, but it is worth noting that Jaime is not on Arya's official list. No doubt he would be if she knew his involvement with Bran's plunge, but Arya has no way of knowing that. You would think he might be due to his sword fight with her father back in season one, but he has never been on it IIRC. Cersei is, was was Walder Frey.

Of interesting note are three other characters who are on Arya's list:

Melisandre
Beric Dondarrion
Thoros of Myr

All related to what happened with Gendry when the Brotherhood Without Banners basically sold him to Melisandre.

Arya is already in the Riverlands where the Brotherhood operates and guess who is now conveniently heading south having been banished from Winterfell? Also of note is that The Hound is now with Thoros and Beric as well. Arya thinks he is dead, but she also removed him from the list and would seem to have at least a little qualified affection for. I think it is very safe to say that Arya's next story arc will involve Thoros, Beric, Sandor and Melisandre.
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The Witch's prophecy came true.
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Originally Posted by windom
Maybe Dany's fleet of ships will run into him still rowing his boat.
Old 06-27-16 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
too much spring in his step. Tommen's fall was more wooden, no push off.
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Old 06-27-16 | 09:23 AM
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BTW, here's the score:

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Old 06-27-16 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by jfoobar
One very interesting thing about GoT is that there are almost no throwaway lines of dialogue. So much of the show is foreshadowed in conversation.

The big mystery that still remains is whether or not:
re: the mystery and no throw away lines.

Spoiler:
Remember Tywin telling Tyrion "You are no son of mine". Hmmmmmmm
Old 06-27-16 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JTH182
Not that it's unheard of in Westeros, but Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. I see them being allies more than anything.
By having Jon declared King in the North, it sort of presents a problem.

Dany is coming to Wesrteros to conquer and rule it. That, presumably, includes the North. Would she allow Jon to be the King in the North, while she was Queen in the South? It's sort the Robb/Stannis situation all over again. Will Jon pledge fealty to Queen Daenarys? Will the Northmen accept that? Will Jon and Dany need to be united in marriage to prevent another civil war?
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Originally Posted by Osiris3657
This, more or less, is what I expect to happen. I don't think Jon and Dany's forces will ever fight though. She'll threaten to crush them if they don't "bend the knee" and recognize her as ruler of Westeros. Jon is not interested in a fight with her, tells her about the White Walkers and that is who they need to face together.
I agree with this, only to add that somewhere amidst all that, Dany will find out Jon is actually Targaryen, which will solidify their truce as they take on the White Walkers.
Old 06-27-16 | 09:45 AM
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Wouldn't Jon Snow be the true Targaryen heir? He is the only son of Dany's older brother. Her nephew, but he has a stronger claim to the throne if you are going strictly by lineage.
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Originally Posted by Bill Needle
Wouldn't Jon Snow be the true Targaryen heir? He is the only son of Dany's older brother. Her nephew, but he has a stronger claim to the throne if you are going strictly by lineage.
Yes. If Rhaegar and Lyanna were married then Jon has a better claim than Dany. Dany certainly would seem to want it more.
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It would also mean that Jon can marry Sansa with no real incest involved. Well, except for the fact that they did grow up together thinking they're bro&sis.
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In fact, oddly enough his claim to the North is weaker, perhaps the reason for establishing him as King of the North by acclaim.
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Originally Posted by mwbmis
Yes. If Rhaegar and Lyanna were married then Jon has a better claim than Dany. Dany certainly would seem to want it more.
Who would know all this though besides the Three Eyed Raven? Hard to imagine the Seven Kingdoms just agreeing with the succession based on an old rumor that goes directly against the history they all learned. Maybe this ties in to Sam in the Library?
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Does succession based on birth rights even matter at this point? If you have a big enough army and enough allegiance from your lords, then you have a good claim.
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Originally Posted by slop101
It would also mean that Jon can marry Sansa with no real incest involved. Well, except for the fact that they did grow up together thinking they're bro&sis.
No "real" incest? Jon and Sansa are 1st cousins. Sounds like incest to me.
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Wow. Probably my second favorite episode of the series so far. The Cersei power play was epic.
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Originally Posted by JasonF
Interesting parallel: The Red Wedding was a conspiracy among House Lannister, House Bolton, and House Frey. At the Red Wedding, they shot Robb with crossbows, they stabbed Talisa in the belly, and they slit Caitlin's throat.

The head of House Lannister got killed by a crossbow.

The head of House Bolton got stabbed in the belly.

The head of House Frey got his throat slit.
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Who would know all this though besides the Three Eyed Raven? Hard to imagine the Seven Kingdoms just agreeing with the succession based on an old rumor that goes directly against the history they all learned. Maybe this ties in to Sam in the Library?
Howland Reed probably knows, Ned's closest friend who was at the Tower of Joy and stabbed Ser Arthur Dayne in the back. He's still alive in the show.
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Originally Posted by Osiris3657
Howland Reed probably knows, Ned's closest friend who was at the Tower of Joy and stabbed Ser Arthur Dayne in the back. He's still alive in the show.
And has a history with Lyanna (from the books) that would guarantee that he would follow Ned and keep the secret.


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