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Cersei has to be the coolest character ever. And I mean coolest in the sense that she never loses her cool with everything going on around her. Without a doubt, she's an evil, conniving, self-centered c**t, but goddammit if it wasn't awesome to see everyone who's been fucking with her these last few seasons get their comeuppance. And that business she pulled with the nun chick that she left with the Mountain? Ice cold. That guy's gonna peel off her skin and feed it to her to keep her alive for more. Brutal. And I think Jamie's reaction at the end of her crowning was that of "Well, you got what you wanted. Hope the cost was worth it."
Cersei's great undoing has always been that she never thinks beyond the moment. Sure she beat her enemies, but she gave the High Sparrow the power to begin with. And smashing House Tyrell, which she has wanted to do for years, is just poor reasoning. She didn't kill their army.

So now she is queen. All of her children are dead. She has no allies. There isn't even anyone left to rule Casterly Rock, as she wiped out her uncle's lineage too.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

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BTW : What was Margery's end-game? I thought she had some sort of grand plan going on but even before she got flambéd, she seemed totally ineffective. That was a little disappointing. Thought she'd be given some sort of a payoff.
I think the point was that she was trying to do something but Cersei foiled her plans. Not everything always works out. As much as I enjoyed her character, I'm glad she didn't escape the blast. That would have been far too convenient.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

I think more of Margery's intent will be revealed with whatever her grandmother is planning. She'll tell someone what the flower on the paper meant, and Margery's death will take on a little more of a tragic meaning.

I have to disagree with what one of the guys said during the "after the episode" thing. He said if Cersei had been there for Tommen he might not have jumped out that window, and that she failed him in that regard. I don't think Cersei meant to be there with him. I think she wanted him to see it, and know what he helped bring about. The Mountain could have brought Tommen to Cersei with no effort at all, so it had to be her intent to get Tommen out of the way to get herself on the throne. After all, it was Tommen who called for her to be tried, so I'm sure her thinking was "I'll just have to take the little bastard out, too."
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Wow, they really cleaned house this season. By the time the White Walkers show up, the Seven Kingdoms are going to look like the opening of 28 Days Later.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

With they way that some people are able to get around so fast on this show, how did Brienne and Podrick not make it back to Winterfell yet? I assume that's where they'd be going, at least if they found out it's been taken by Jon and Sansa.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

When dealing with travel, you sort of have to assume that this stuff isn't taking place in real time. There could be weeks between scenes; just in this episode Jaime traveled from the Twins to Kings Landing, which is about as far as Arya would have traveled from The Fingers to The Twins to take out the Freys. (Braavos is just across the Narrow Sea from The Fingers, and from there it's west to the Twins.)
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Speaking of getting along fast on this show, I'm now convinced this guy is going to show up for the throne in the last episode.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by Dave99 View Post
So what are the odds that the dragon army runs into euron and his fleet of ships at sea?

I'd say a massive naval battle scene next season is likely. Talk about a hell of a time for Euron to introduce that dragon horn. Perhaps D&D knew what they were doing leaving it out of the Kingsmoot after all.

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Originally Posted by B.A. View Post
it would be great if they combined this one with episode nine and put them on an IMAX screen before the next season premieres.

They did that for seasons 4 and 5. No reason to think this season's closing episodes won't get a theatrical release as well.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Wow. Now to read through this thread.
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Gendry was never legitimized and has no claim to the throne anyway, does he? I mean I know they killed off all the Baratheon bastards in season one to make sure of this, mainly because Cersei's kids are purely Lannisters. I'm actually kind of surprised they gave the throne to Cersei, since even if she has new kids they shouldn't be in the line of succession anyway. If Renly or Stannis had just been patient...

Wasn't the mad king's plan to burn all of Kings Landing down? So is there more black fire underground?

I had hoped Jaime had made a deal with Edmure to overthrow the useless Freys, since it makes Edmure seem even more like a chump. Great reveal, though, even if it was fanservicey. Heck this entire episode was filled with fan service. One issue I had was that I didn't think Arya would be freely able to take faces as she wanted, but giving her that power does give more legitimacy to her time in Bravoos not just being a huge waste of time (when it's not pitch black).

Jon Snow's lineage makes him kinda perfect as consort to Dany given family history. I'm guessing the reason they made the whisper inaudible, while still revealing who the baby was is because
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Leanna really loved Rhaegar and they secretly married, legitimizing Jon. Otherwise I have no idea why they'd make it inaudible, or why Rhaegar would send his top knights to guard a bastard baby when he knows Ned and Robert wouldn't ever harm Leanna


Speaking of lineage, with Jaime being dismissed from his post as Kings Guard earlier this season, does he get to inherit Casterly Rock now (and have kids)? Otherwise there are basically no heirs to the houses of Baratheon, Lannister or Tyrell. Frey, Bolton, and Martell are wiped out as well. Aryn and Tully are under questionable leadership. Team Stark is making a comeback though (and they changed the opening back). No wonder the citadel can't keep up with all the leadership changes in the lands.

The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by LurkerDan View Post
I don't think Cersei is a regent again, she's flat out queen this time.
Yes, correct. I misused the word, she is queen again.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Great episode....

A couple of my favorite moments (other than the big ones):

Getting a chance to see Margery be herself again and figure everything out, only to be ignored and die a moment later.

The Queen of Roses telling the Sand Snakes to shut the fuck up. Perfect.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
Otherwise there are basically no heirs to the houses of Baratheon, Lannister or Tyrell. Frey, Bolton, and Martell are wiped out as well.
All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't kill all of the Frey heirs in under a month. Remember the two Frey boys in Winterfell earlier in the series talking about what number in the line of succession they were? I don't know if House Frey will re-appear in the series though, so it may not matter.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Has it ever been mentioned how to kill a dragon? That could be what Sam discovers in library.
After Dany conquers King's Landing and the south she'll move north to take out Jon Snow.
Snow will force her into a truce/alliance against the coming battle with White Walkers and army of the dead.
During the lull before the battle they start fooling around.
In the end Jon and Dany rule as king and queen. Everybody lives happily ever after.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Not that it's unheard of in Westeros, but Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. I see them being allies more than anything.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

Originally Posted by majorjoe23 View Post
I want Lady Mormont to win the Iron Throne by challenging all the lords of Westeros to rap battles.
Mormont - By Lin-Manuel Miranda

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Man that episode just delivered and delivered like an obstetrician moonlighting at Dominos.


Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place.
I think he thought that the Lannister-Bolton-Frey faction would win out, and he would have ingratiated himself with the new Warden of the North. Now that has all changed, and he moves where the wind blows. He has the highest of ambitions, and is smart enough to keep himself in the game, but he lacks the consistency and loyalty that would allow him to ultimately win. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to Sansa's rejection and Jon's newfound status.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

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Predictions?

I think Queen Margaery is the sole ruler of King's landing at the end of the episode with all the other major players there dead. Perhaps she even plants to knife into Tommen. Complete guesses here but who knows..
Swing and a miss!

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They did that for seasons 4 and 5. No reason to think this season's closing episodes won't get a theatrical release as well.
They the released the end of season five in IMAX? I don't remember seeing that in my area. Or reading about it whatsoever. Blah.
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Jon Snow's lineage makes him kinda perfect as consort to Dany given family history. I'm guessing the reason they made the whisper inaudible, while still revealing who the baby was is because
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Leanna really loved Rhaegar and they secretly married, legitimizing Jon. Otherwise I have no idea why they'd make it inaudible, or why Rhaegar would send his top knights to guard a bastard baby when he knows Ned and Robert wouldn't ever harm Leanna


The one thing I don't get with Littlefinger's plan is giving Sansa over to Bolton in the first place.
Lyanna would probably be fine, but Robert definitely would have killed the baby. As to why they fought to the death to guard her from Ned, that always kind of bothered me. Probably following orders.

RE - Littlefinger

That's the price the show paid for giving Sansa the Jeyne Poole storyline. Sure it gave her something to do last year and put that story in the hands of a known character, but it made Littlefinger's plan make less sense.
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In regards to Sam's appearance and seemingly pointless story tonight, I think they set the tone for that library to play some part in next season's events. There's going to be some kind of information in all those books that someone is going to need for something extremely crucial to the whole series.
I think he is going to find GRRM's manuscript on the final book.

All kidding aside, did anyone got a weird vibe from the serving girl (Arya's disguise) who was hitting on Jamie? Now I am not sure if that was Arya or the real serving girl.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S6E10) -- "The Winds of Winter" -- 6/26/16

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Gendry was never legitimized and has no claim to the throne anyway, does he? I mean I know they killed off all the Baratheon bastards in season one to make sure of this, mainly because Cersei's kids are purely Lannisters. I'm actually kind of surprised they gave the throne to Cersei, since even if she has new kids they shouldn't be in the line of succession anyway. If Renly or Stannis had just been patient.
I think the Baratheon bastards were wiped out because their dark hair threw the legitimacy of Joffrey's reign into doubt. Ned's plan was to say "Here are 20 of his offspring, notice anything different about his 'legitimate' children?"

Joffrey had them killed to prevent that from happening.
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I fcking teared up at lyanna mormont's speech. She's the real queen of the north!!

Annoyed by Margaerys death only because that scene earlier in the season with her giving the paper flower to olenna meant absolutely nothing now.

Also Varys at dorne and on the targaryan fleet in the same episode was distracting;,no way that timeline would fit.

Also annoyed at having to mention dorne again this season; woulda been perfectly fine not ever having mentioned it again
Well, the flower got her out of King's Landing. I thought the flower only meant, "I haven't turned religious, I'm still a Tyrell, listen to what I'm telling you." I'm not sure there was much of a greater plan beyond that.

If she didn't give her that flower, she never would have left King's Landing, would have been at her grandson's trial and obliterated. She never would have been able to join her army with Dorne's and Dany.
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Well, the flower got her out of King's Landing. I thought the flower only meant, "I haven't turned religious, I'm still a Tyrell, listen to what I'm telling you." I'm not sure there was much of a greater plan beyond that.

If she didn't give her that flower, she never would have left King's Landing, would have been at her grandson's trial and obliterated. She never would have been able to join her army with Dorne's and Dany.
I agree. I also don't think Margery had some grand plan in her head. I think she thought that aligning herself to the High Sparrow would be the best way to have control. It was her path to rid them of Cersei and she took that path full force. I'm sure she would have eventually made a move to get rid of the High Sparrow too but that wasn't part of her immediate plan.
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Not that it's unheard of in Westeros, but Jon Snow is Dany's nephew. I see them being allies more than anything.
One very interesting thing about GoT is that there are almost no throwaway lines of dialogue. So much of the show is foreshadowed in conversation. Tyrion's conversation with Dany about how she is leaving behind a man who loves her (Daario) but that there will be others in the future is almost certainly this type of foreshadowing. Does this automatically mean it will be Jon? Of course not.

However, both are people who have lost the great loves of their lives. Jon's love was a fierce, powerful, independent woman, as is Dany. Dany's lost love (and his temporary replacement, Daario) were both great warriors, as is Jon. And, they are both Targaryens, a family quite fond of incest.

Yeah, I wouldn't put it past GRRM to throw a surprise in there but it seems like having them be together in the end makes sense.

The big mystery that still remains is whether or not:

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Tyrion is also a Targaryen. There is a third dragon after all. Someone has to ride it.

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