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Old 06-10-15 | 01:14 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

So the beautiful queen is... Lancel?
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I assumed it was Margaery?
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Or Daenerys.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

Originally Posted by fujishig
So the beautiful queen is... Lancel?
Hasn't he always been?
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Or Daenerys.
Sure, in the long run. Hell, wasn't Margaery already just as much the Queen as Cercei ever was?
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About Dany's fiance, I think he was in fact involved with the Sons of the Harpy, and thought he could control them, but the group didn't want the fighting pits back, they wanted Dany dead and gone. So when the dude agreed to marry her, they took him out too.

As for Shireen, I don't see how her death is anymore shocking than what happens to Robb's wife at the Red Wedding. If you stopped watching at that point, fair enough. If you watched through that and now want to quite because of this, that's weird to me.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

Going by the urban definition, Loras Tyrell is a queen.
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Heck, Sansa's in the running too in the contest to replace Cersei.
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How come Cersei was busted for incest while Jamie is able to prance around to other countries and shit and dine with kings and fight with boobilicious babes while she has to drink off the cold floor? Is it because he's a man and can stick his weiner anywhere he wants?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

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How come Cersei was busted for incest while Jamie is able to prance around to other countries and shit and dine with kings and fight with boobilicious babes while she has to drink off the cold floor? Is it because he's a man and can stick his weiner anywhere he wants?
He's been out of town?
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Also, Cersei was busted for incest with Lancel not Jaime.
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Originally Posted by Supermallet
About Dany's fiance, I think he was in fact involved with the Sons of the Harpy, and thought he could control them, but the group didn't want the fighting pits back, they wanted Dany dead and gone. So when the dude agreed to marry her, they took him out too.

As for Shireen, I don't see how her death is anymore shocking than what happens to Robb's wife at the Red Wedding. If you stopped watching at that point, fair enough. If you watched through that and now want to quite because of this, that's weird to me.
I don't think so. At his introduction he's just a noble who understood Dany's power, yet was bold enough to question her so he could bury his father. Hizdahr represents the humanity and reason in Meereenese culture. He's simply a good man that wants peace. If he is involved with the Harpies then Meereen as a whole is a 2 dimensional haven of cartoon villains, that's just bad writing.
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I don't think so. At his introduction he's just a noble who understood Dany's power, yet was bold enough to question her so he could bury his father. Hizdahr represents the humanity and reason in Meereenese culture. He's simply a good man that wants peace. If he is involved with the Harpies then Meereen as a whole is a 2 dimensional haven of cartoon villains, that's just bad writing.
Book version Hizdahr, it's hard to tell if he's involved or not. It's a bit nebulous.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

This is a compilation of Jorah Mormont saying "Khaleesi" (it's a year old so it's missing this season's clips):

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KeOIh8QDGhg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

(Also get to hear Iain Glen's real voice at the end, which isn't as good as his Jorah voice)
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At his introduction he's just a noble who understood Dany's power, yet was bold enough to question her so he could bury his father. Hizdahr represents the humanity and reason in Meereenese culture. He's simply a good man that wants peace.
That may be but I was still elated to see the fucker finally get offed. What an annoying jagoff.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy517
Also, Cersei was busted for incest with Lancel not Jaime.
And she's busted for conspiring to murder Robert.
Old 06-11-15 | 12:41 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

Originally Posted by fujishig
And she's busted for conspiring to murder Robert.
I think the whole conspiring to kill King Robert claim is a bit weak. Lancel gave King Robert strong wine so that he got so drunk that a boar gored him during a hunt. Huh? It's like blaming a bartender for murder when a customer drinks a lot and then stumbles into the street and gets hit by a bus. If King Robert can't hold his alcohol, then I think what happened to him is his own damn fault.
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And, unlike a bartender, it's a bit hard to cut off the king's beer tab.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

Speculation - people are so suspicious about Olly being up to no good, but what about

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the Sand Snakes seemed to have a disgusted/mischievous reaction when their mom bent the knee AND Doran foreshadowed something with the "third chance" cheesiness. Ellaria forgives Jamie for Oberyn's death, but there is still that issue about vengeance for his sister and her children. She basically got Jamie to admit that he bangs his sister, so she's confirmed that Myrcella is Jamie's kid. What better way to avenge those deaths by killing father and daughter Lannister?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

The sacrifice of Shireen by Stannis may have been influenced by a classical story.

In the ancient Greek story of the Trojan War, the Greeks are lead by King Agamemnon. They are having major setbacks and Agamemnon is told that the goddess Artemis is angry and can only be placated by the sacrifice of Agamemnon's daughter Iphigenia which, after many twists and turns, he eventually does.

Here's a summary of the story of Agamemnon and the sacrifice of his daughter Iphigenia
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ifFsKCrH3GM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

An article by someone else who also figured this link out:
Game of Thrones goes all Greek Mythology


Also in the 2004 movie Troy directed by Wolfgang Petersen, Agamemnon was played by Brian Cox:


And the script for that movie was written by... David Benioff

(talk about going full circle)
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Originally Posted by Jeremy517
Also, Cersei was busted for incest with Lancel not Jaime.
Lancel is a first cousin of Cersei so I doubt that compares to the Targaryens marrying each other to keep the blood pure. I am sure any sparrows would have been burned the minute they tried to pull the incest card with any of the Targaryens. The fact the Sparrows are able to take over with stick and stones apparently when there is the Kingsguard supposedly protecting the King/Queen and the Citywatch is strange and just a plot device. Margaery is supposed to be extremely popular with the common folk and the Tyrells' food are keeping Kings Landing fed. How did a bunch of morale police take over and arrest anyone they wanted. It's a strange plot device.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey
Book version Hizdahr, it's hard to tell if he's involved or not. It's a bit nebulous.
Major book spoiler
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He did try to poison Danny. She only escaped because that one guy ate all of her bug snacks and died in her place. And the attacks stopped after the marriage announcement making it seem like he had control over the sons.
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Originally Posted by chowderhead
Lancel is a first cousin of Cersei so I doubt that compares to the Targaryens marrying each other to keep the blood pure. I am sure any sparrows would have been burned the minute they tried to pull the incest card with any of the Targaryens. The fact the Sparrows are able to take over with stick and stones apparently when there is the Kingsguard supposedly protecting the King/Queen and the Citywatch is strange and just a plot device. Margaery is supposed to be extremely popular with the common folk and the Tyrells' food are keeping Kings Landing fed. How did a bunch of morale police take over and arrest anyone they wanted. It's a strange plot device.
Isn't that the very reason the Targaryens disarmed the Faith Militant in the first place?

The High Sparrow did hint that the common people sided with them, and without the common people the Tyrell family had no power. Plus Tommen is spineless. You'd think that his uncle would do something, no matter what his conflict with Cersei is because they could easily threaten Tommen's hold on the throne.
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Also, didn't Cersei make it easier for them to rise to the level of power they did, in hopes of handling her Margaery problem? She didn't have the foresight to see that, with her long list of sins, it could easily blow up in her face.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E09) - "The Dance of Dragons" - 6/7/15

Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell
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He did try to poison Danny. She only escaped because that one guy ate all of her bug snacks and died in her place. And the attacks stopped after the marriage announcement making it seem like he had control over the sons.
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While there was a poison attempt, there's no proof in the books that it was Hizdahr. Barristan arrested him because it seemed obvious, but how often does the obvious suspect turn out to be the culprit in this series? The truth is that Barristan is a great knight but probably not savvy when it comes to playing the game. If you ask me it's more likely that the Harpy and poisoner is the Green Grace or the Shavepate. They actually stand to gain something by the poison attempt, while Hizdahr gains nothing from poisoning Dany after he's married her and become king.


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