Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
05-26-15 | 01:51 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I saw a review of this episode that criticized Littlefinger's information "gift" to Lady Olenna about Lancel's secret affair with Cersei being useless because the reviewer assumes that Lancel would've already told the High Sparrow everything about the affair.
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)
05-26-15 | 02:57 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
05-26-15 | 03:08 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Many here are too young to remember but in Vietnam the women used to insert razorblades up their hoohoo to maim any American soldier that bought their services. I wonder what a corkscrew would do inserted the same way. It would give a new meaning to popping the cork...
05-26-15 | 03:11 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
But Lancel would have had to admit his sins, and even if he kept it vague that would include incest and murder; how the heck did Cersei not see this coming?
I did like that the High Sparrow said basically that forgiveness comes if you admit guilt (though there will still be punishment), and it's something that I don't think Cersei would ever do (and if she did, I'd think conspiring to kill the king would get her head on the block anyway).
I did like that the High Sparrow said basically that forgiveness comes if you admit guilt (though there will still be punishment), and it's something that I don't think Cersei would ever do (and if she did, I'd think conspiring to kill the king would get her head on the block anyway).
05-26-15 | 03:50 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
There have certainly been times on the show where the passage of time has been completely erratic and nonsensical. For instance, the time from the end of the Blackwater battle and when Davos is picked up on that rock in S3E1 could only be a few days, a week at the most. Yet Dany's dragons have grown massive in that time. Littlefinger's transporting up and down Westeros all throughout Season 2 was also oddly handled.
05-26-15 | 03:52 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I'm willing to let the wonky timeline go because I'm having so much fun with the show otherwise.
05-26-15 | 04:23 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I assume Lady Olenna just wrote the information on a sealed scroll and sent it to the High Sparrow, much the same way she got that message from Littlefinger to go meet him. So she didn't give the info to the High Sparrow directly in-person.
05-26-15 | 05:07 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I realized there was a subtle dig at Margaery when Cersei visited her in the Great Sept's dungeon.
In her one act of apparent kindness, Cersei brought some food (venison) for Margaery and told her that it's good and that Cersei "had it herself for supper just last night."
Call back to last season when, during her wedding ceremony to Joffery (pre-ending of that short-lived marriage), Margaery made the proclamation that the leftovers from the wedding reception would be given to the poor and needy.
Now, in the dungeon, Cersei gave Margaery her leftovers which is basically a slap in the face saying "A-ha! Now you're the poor and needy."
In her one act of apparent kindness, Cersei brought some food (venison) for Margaery and told her that it's good and that Cersei "had it herself for supper just last night."
Call back to last season when, during her wedding ceremony to Joffery (pre-ending of that short-lived marriage), Margaery made the proclamation that the leftovers from the wedding reception would be given to the poor and needy.
Now, in the dungeon, Cersei gave Margaery her leftovers which is basically a slap in the face saying "A-ha! Now you're the poor and needy."
05-26-15 | 05:29 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
The thing is, from episode to episode, and even from season to season, there don't seem to be a lot of places where you could insert a "six months later" title card.
I guess it's part and parcel of the way characters just sort of get to where they need to be without regard for how long the travel takes (e.g., Littlefinger's trip from Winterfell to King's Landing the other week).
I guess it's part and parcel of the way characters just sort of get to where they need to be without regard for how long the travel takes (e.g., Littlefinger's trip from Winterfell to King's Landing the other week).
05-26-15 | 05:41 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I thought Brienne told her to light the candle, and the old lady just gave a general message of support. So the old lady wouldn't even have known about the candle in the window message thing (or Brienne), so had nothing to give up to Ramsay. As for Ramsay choosing her to flay, he probably just made an educated guess. She was an old-timey Winterfell resident who had routine contact with Sansa, and either way the point to Sansa was made. Ramsay would still have no idea about Brienne being out there.
05-26-15 | 05:47 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Ah, I didn't even realize that the candle was from Brienne... I know she asked that a message be relayed to Sansa, but I think because the old lady had basically revealed herself as a Stark loyalist before Brienne had come along, I figured they were separate. I was wondering why they showed her looking out the window.
See, I need more handholding, not less!
I had a question about the Dany storyline. So they continually say Mereen is a free city, but I'm confused, are the great games going to allow slaves to fight, like what Dany just witnessed out in the boonies? I thought the whole point was that the former slaves were free to make their own choice, if they want to fight in the pits?
Also, I found it a bit odd that she was squeemish about men killing each other for sport, but had no problem watching a perhaps innocent man get eaten alive by her dragons.
See, I need more handholding, not less!
I had a question about the Dany storyline. So they continually say Mereen is a free city, but I'm confused, are the great games going to allow slaves to fight, like what Dany just witnessed out in the boonies? I thought the whole point was that the former slaves were free to make their own choice, if they want to fight in the pits?
Also, I found it a bit odd that she was squeemish about men killing each other for sport, but had no problem watching a perhaps innocent man get eaten alive by her dragons.
05-26-15 | 05:48 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Ah, I didn't even realize that the candle was from Brienne... I know she asked that a message be relayed to Sansa, but I think because the old lady had basically revealed herself as a Stark loyalist before Brienne had come along, I figured they were separate. I was wondering why they showed her looking out the window.
See, I need more handholding, not less!
See, I need more handholding, not less!
05-26-15 | 06:10 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I realized there was a subtle dig at Margaery when Cersei visited her in the Great Sept's dungeon.
In her one act of apparent kindness, Cersei brought some food (venison) for Margaery and told her that it's good and that Cersei "had it herself for supper just last night."
Call back to last season when, during her wedding ceremony to Joffery (pre-ending of that short-lived marriage), Margaery made the proclamation that the leftovers from the wedding reception would be given to the poor and needy.
Now, in the dungeon, Cersei gave Margaery her leftovers which is basically a slap in the face saying "A-ha! Now you're the poor and needy."
In her one act of apparent kindness, Cersei brought some food (venison) for Margaery and told her that it's good and that Cersei "had it herself for supper just last night."
Call back to last season when, during her wedding ceremony to Joffery (pre-ending of that short-lived marriage), Margaery made the proclamation that the leftovers from the wedding reception would be given to the poor and needy.
Now, in the dungeon, Cersei gave Margaery her leftovers which is basically a slap in the face saying "A-ha! Now you're the poor and needy."
05-26-15 | 06:59 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Kinda lame they showed a seemingly major scene in the season preview with Dany we haven't even seen yet...and it seems obvious what will happen there. She hasn't given her wheel speech yet either has she?
05-26-15 | 07:26 PM
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05-26-15 | 09:31 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Yeah, I was trying to figure out a venison <--> Baratheon "stag" sigil connection that would've been meaningful to Margaery. Maybe Robert, although not sure how much Margaery would be concerned about him given that she benefited from his demise. Maybe Tommen, saying that Cersei still controls that branch of the (official, though not biological) Baratheon line. Cersei was definitely trying to say something with that choice of food.
05-26-15 | 11:13 PM
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05-27-15 | 12:44 AM
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05-27-15 | 01:23 AM
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05-27-15 | 01:47 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
^ ^ ^ Classic...in more ways than one!
Was going to joke that this track was from the album "Another Side of Bronn" but saw this on Flynn's wiki page re: his brief recording career with Robson Green:
Flynn portrayed Corporal Paddy Garvey of the King's Fusiliers in the ITV series Soldier Soldier. The series began in 1990. He acted alongside Robson Green in the series. After Flynn and Green performed Unchained Melody on the programme, ITV was inundated by people looking to buy the song, and the pair were persuaded by record producer Simon Cowell to record it and release it as a single, a double A-side with White Cliffs of Dover. The single was released under the name Robson & Jerome and reached number one in the UK chart in 1995.[5] It stayed at No.1 for 7 weeks in the UK Singles Chart, selling more than 1.9 million copies and making it the best-selling single of the year, and winning the duo the Music Week Awards in 1996 for best single and best album. The duo had two more number one hits in 1995 and 1996 with "I Believe" and "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" both re-makes of standards, they also produced two number one albums.[6]
Had absolutely no idea that the lads were a hit. Always enjoyed Green in Wire In the Blood, Touching Evil, & other BBC series, so will have to check out Soldier, Soldier (I believe it's available from AmazonUK) since both of them are in it. Also need to look on Youtube for their version of Unchained Melody.
Was going to joke that this track was from the album "Another Side of Bronn" but saw this on Flynn's wiki page re: his brief recording career with Robson Green:
Flynn portrayed Corporal Paddy Garvey of the King's Fusiliers in the ITV series Soldier Soldier. The series began in 1990. He acted alongside Robson Green in the series. After Flynn and Green performed Unchained Melody on the programme, ITV was inundated by people looking to buy the song, and the pair were persuaded by record producer Simon Cowell to record it and release it as a single, a double A-side with White Cliffs of Dover. The single was released under the name Robson & Jerome and reached number one in the UK chart in 1995.[5] It stayed at No.1 for 7 weeks in the UK Singles Chart, selling more than 1.9 million copies and making it the best-selling single of the year, and winning the duo the Music Week Awards in 1996 for best single and best album. The duo had two more number one hits in 1995 and 1996 with "I Believe" and "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" both re-makes of standards, they also produced two number one albums.[6]
Had absolutely no idea that the lads were a hit. Always enjoyed Green in Wire In the Blood, Touching Evil, & other BBC series, so will have to check out Soldier, Soldier (I believe it's available from AmazonUK) since both of them are in it. Also need to look on Youtube for their version of Unchained Melody.
05-27-15 | 06:50 AM
#125
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Cersei can't comprehend that the high sparrow has true faith and assumed, like her, he is out for power. She gave him power, putting the high sparrow and his flock in the place of the disgraced High Septon. Then she did away with the decree which disarmed the religious troops, hiving the high sparrow even more power. Then she provided the means for him to take down the Tyrells, etc. Having given him so much power, in her head, Cersei thinks he's now beholden to her, having gotten what he wants. She can't comprehend that what he wants is compliance with the laws of the Seven. It's because of this that she couldn't see it coming.