Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
#176
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Spoiler:
#178
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
If that's the case, Season 7 will air backward from ep. 10 to ep. 1.
Ah, D&D just go ahead & film their own plots & finish the series.
And in five years when GRRM finishes (assuming he's still alive & actually ends with Book 7), they'll just shoot new scenes, hit the editing room, & then re-release the DVDs as "director's cuts" or "extended versions."
The project will be overseen by Oliver Stone, Peter Jackson, and George Lucas. With Ridley Scott acting as technical advisor.
Ah, D&D just go ahead & film their own plots & finish the series.
And in five years when GRRM finishes (assuming he's still alive & actually ends with Book 7), they'll just shoot new scenes, hit the editing room, & then re-release the DVDs as "director's cuts" or "extended versions."
The project will be overseen by Oliver Stone, Peter Jackson, and George Lucas. With Ridley Scott acting as technical advisor.
#179
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
As I understand it, only people with at least one actual Targaryen ancestor in their family tree can have a legitimate claim on the Iron Throne. So any living Targaryens have a claim, of course, as well as the Baratheons due to the fact that the grandfather of Robert/Stannis/Renly married a Targaryen princess, who became their grandmother.
Anyone else who wants to sit on the Iron Throne would have to win it militarily and seize it by force through warfare from the current royal ancestral line and would probably have to kill everyone in the previous ancestral line as well. While there are 7 kingdoms in Westeros in which someone could have a legitimate ancestral claim to just one or more of those kingdoms, the ruler on the Iron Throne is the overall ruler of all of Westeros and the ruler of each of the individual 7 kingdoms are subservient to whoever the current ruler is on the Iron Throne.
Anyone else who wants to sit on the Iron Throne would have to win it militarily and seize it by force through warfare from the current royal ancestral line and would probably have to kill everyone in the previous ancestral line as well. While there are 7 kingdoms in Westeros in which someone could have a legitimate ancestral claim to just one or more of those kingdoms, the ruler on the Iron Throne is the overall ruler of all of Westeros and the ruler of each of the individual 7 kingdoms are subservient to whoever the current ruler is on the Iron Throne.
#180
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
A season covering Robert's Rebellion would introduce a number of new characters like Rhaegar Targaryen, Aerys "The Mad King" Targaryen, Lyssa Stark, Rickard Stark, Brandon Stark, Hoster Tully, Howland Reed, Jon Arryn, and Elia Martell.
Most of the established characters who would appear like Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon, and Jaime Lannister would need to be recast since they were teenagers at the time. The two actors I could see reprising his role would be Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister and the fellow who plays Barriston Selmay. And possibly Howland Reed if we've already seen him and don't yet know it.
Most of the established characters who would appear like Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon, and Jaime Lannister would need to be recast since they were teenagers at the time. The two actors I could see reprising his role would be Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister and the fellow who plays Barriston Selmay. And possibly Howland Reed if we've already seen him and don't yet know it.
Spoiler:
However, the Dunk and Egg books could be adapted into quite a fun year long miniseries.
#181
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I've been thinking that we haven't actually seen the iron throne at all this season...is that correct? When was the last time we had a scene in that room?
#182
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Interesting to note who has actually sat on the Iron Throne on the show:
- Ned Stark
- Cersei Lannister
- Joffrey Baratheon
- Tommen Baratheon
- Tywin Lannister
#184
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
In the Sansa & Theon/Reek scene, Sansa mentions that Ramsay locks her in her room. But why didn't Sansa get out of the room when Theon/Reek unlocked the door to bring her meal and then go put the candle in the broken tower window herself? She could've even locked Theon/Reek in the room while she was gone so that he couldn't tell anyone before she returned.
(And also I would think that she would know secret passageways in Winterfell to escape on her own and then could go to Winter Town to hide out with Stark loyalists.)
(And also I would think that she would know secret passageways in Winterfell to escape on her own and then could go to Winter Town to hide out with Stark loyalists.)
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
In the Sansa & Theon/Reek scene, Sansa mentions that Ramsay locks her in her room. But why didn't Sansa get out of the room when Theon/Reek unlocked the door to bring her meal and then go put the candle in the broken tower window herself? She could've even locked Theon/Reek in the room while she was gone so that he couldn't tell anyone before she returned.
(And also I would think that she would know secret passageways in Winterfell to escape on her own and then could go to Winter Town to hide out with Stark loyalists.)
(And also I would think that she would know secret passageways in Winterfell to escape on her own and then could go to Winter Town to hide out with Stark loyalists.)
Secret passageways would work, assuming there are any and assuming she knew where they were. That's the kind of thing kids might learn about in their teenage years, which Sanda largely spent outside Winterfell.
#186
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
As I understand it, only people with at least one actual Targaryen ancestor in their family tree can have a legitimate claim on the Iron Throne. So any living Targaryens have a claim, of course, as well as the Baratheons due to the fact that the grandfather of Robert/Stannis/Renly married a Targaryen princess, who became their grandmother.
Anyone else who wants to sit on the Iron Throne would have to win it militarily and seize it by force through warfare from the current royal ancestral line and would probably have to kill everyone in the previous ancestral line as well. While there are 7 kingdoms in Westeros in which someone could have a legitimate ancestral claim to just one or more of those kingdoms, the ruler on the Iron Throne is the overall ruler of all of Westeros and the ruler of each of the individual 7 kingdoms are subservient to whoever the current ruler is on the Iron Throne.
Anyone else who wants to sit on the Iron Throne would have to win it militarily and seize it by force through warfare from the current royal ancestral line and would probably have to kill everyone in the previous ancestral line as well. While there are 7 kingdoms in Westeros in which someone could have a legitimate ancestral claim to just one or more of those kingdoms, the ruler on the Iron Throne is the overall ruler of all of Westeros and the ruler of each of the individual 7 kingdoms are subservient to whoever the current ruler is on the Iron Throne.
#187
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Even though we viewers of the show know that Stannis has a better claim by birthright than Cersei's children to the Iron Throne after the death of King Robert, the fact is there is no solid evidence that Cersei's children aren't actually Robert's children. Cersei has never publically confessed to it and hair color alone isn't enough evidence, given that the children could've gotten that trait from their mother. King Robert never doubted they were his children and that should have settled it within the realm (at least until Qyburn invents DNA testing
).
#188
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Why did they even recognize Robert's claim to the throne when there were two direct descendants in exile? It still seems to me like an excuse for the powerful lords to back one side or another, and that that backing is all that really matters.
Will the people really rise up when Dany comes back in her support, or just the people cowed by her dragons and against the current rulers, whoever they may be?
edited to add: deleted the last paragraph because I was confused which episode thread this was.
Will the people really rise up when Dany comes back in her support, or just the people cowed by her dragons and against the current rulers, whoever they may be?
edited to add: deleted the last paragraph because I was confused which episode thread this was.
Last edited by fujishig; 06-01-15 at 12:01 PM.
#189
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Still too warm for them go further south. There's also some other theories around why they attacked when they did.
#190
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
In the very first scene of the series, how far north of the wall were they? It didn't seem that far away from the wall, considering that one ranger made it all the way back all by himself.
#191
Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
#192
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Why did they even recognize Robert's claim to the throne when there were two direct descendants in exile? It still seems to me like an excuse for the powerful lords to back one side or another, and that that backing is all that really matters.
Will the people really rise up when Dany comes back in her support, or just the people cowed by her dragons and against the current rulers, whoever they may be?
Will the people really rise up when Dany comes back in her support, or just the people cowed by her dragons and against the current rulers, whoever they may be?
And the Iron Throne didn't exist until the Targaryens invaded and conquered 6 out of the 7 kingdoms in Westeros (save Dorne, which only fell under the Iron Throne via marriage many years later) about 300 years earlier. So only Targaryens have ever sat on the Iron Throne since then up until the Mad King.
As to why Robert could claim the birthright to sit on the Iron Throne over other Lords in Westeros after winning his rebellion, his grandmother was a Targaryan princess so he had being partially descended from Targaryen royalty to legitimize his claim (and any other Baratheon's succession claims) over other Lords who might also have tried to claim the throne. (This is mentioned in some DVD/BD extras for Season 1 when Robert narrates some animated backstory.)
Technically, Daenerys being a real Targaryen directly descended from the last Targaryen king has a stronger claim to the Iron Throne than any Baratheon, but claims mean little without support. Having dragons means she won't need as large an army to invade and win the crown, but the dragons would need to be larger than they are now and fully under her control to help make an invasion of Westeros succeed.
#193
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