Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
#76
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I think this is just one of those plot moments where you just accept it, and don't ask too many questions.
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I'm not really sure what Brienne can do. Sure they've established that she is a good fighter, but they've never really shown her to be at all clever. There would need to be a certain amount of cleverness required to get Sansa out of there.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I was assuming that the old lady was part of a group of northern conspirators not connected with Brienne, but I could be way off on that.
#79
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I think you are! Because they showed Brienne looking at the tower. I think there are old northerners who are on Sansa's side, but I think the candle in the tower thing was 100% Brienne, or so I was led to believe.
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Yeah, I think her looking at the tower (and the conversation she had in her room with the innkeep or whoever that was) makes it pretty clear she was the one looking for the signal.
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Can someone refresh my memory? For some reason, I thought that Sam had lost the dragonglass knife. I seem to remember him dropping it after killing the white walker and just leaving it there. I could be completely wrong though...
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I know, I'm just supposed to accept it and not ask questions.
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Nope. Because Brienne is the cavalry on that one, they even made a point of showing her looking at the tower. So if they lit it to see who would come, it wouldn't have been the old lady.
I think this is just one of those plot moments where you just accept it, and don't ask too many questions.
I think this is just one of those plot moments where you just accept it, and don't ask too many questions.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Dragonglass is obsidian, so it's probably not too uncommon. If it's something can kill white walkers, then they're probably making some weapons out of it.
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Stannis said they had obsidian in Dragonstone, so not rare, but maybe not common in the area of the Wall and north of it.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Maybe she knew exactly how long it would take to act or noticed some subtle symptoms kicking in.
Ramsay might have known it was the old woman who told her to put the candle in the tower because it seems like the Boltons are limiting the contact Sansa has with the other Northerners, and the old woman was one of the few, if not the only, person she had been in contact with unsupervised.
Ramsay might have known it was the old woman who told her to put the candle in the tower because it seems like the Boltons are limiting the contact Sansa has with the other Northerners, and the old woman was one of the few, if not the only, person she had been in contact with unsupervised.
Or at least that's how it would have been solved on CSI.
With the poison and Bronn it could be that as his heart started beating faster the poison would have spread quicker. Now the antidote working that quick is a little problematic.
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Ramsay might have known it was the old woman who told her to put the candle in the tower because it seems like the Boltons are limiting the contact Sansa has with the other Northerners, and the old woman was one of the few, if not the only, person she had been in contact with unsupervised.
But I think the show wants a simpler situation there so that the old woman is gone and Sansa now has very limited options for getting help inside the walls of Winterfell.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
Hopefully this week's episode made things clearer for everyone who was wondering last week why Tommen didn't just order the High Sparrow not to arrest Margery.
Also, did anyone else catch Myrcella mentioning that she's been in Dorne for years? I know the actress is 3-4 years older than when she was sent there, but has it really been years within the show since the events of Season 2?
Also, did anyone else catch Myrcella mentioning that she's been in Dorne for years? I know the actress is 3-4 years older than when she was sent there, but has it really been years within the show since the events of Season 2?
I actually liked that they gave a hint to the passage of time. I can believe it's been a few years, but it's hard to tell in the series (especially the travel time), so at least they acknowledged that all these things happened over years and not months. I also liked that Stannis was aware of the passage of time too, and that he realized he could get stuck for years in Castle Black.
As for the Stark supporter, I figured she went up to get the candle or something. Ramsay did say that she basically died before she could really give up her secrets, so hopefully she was the only one caught (I didn't know if she was the only one flayed up there)
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
That scene annoyed me, when he gave the bag to Jon Snow, pulls one out, and Sam says "Dragonglass - it's what I used to kill the white walker." That line was completely unnecessary. Jon Snow knows what it is, and what Sam accomplished with it. Anyone who watches the show seriously already knows what it is, and what it can do. The whole line was put in there to remind viewers who don't pay close enough attention, and dumbs down the show in the process.
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That scene annoyed me, when he gave the bag to Jon Snow, pulls one out, and Sam says "Dragonglass - it's what I used to kill the white walker." That line was completely unnecessary. Jon Snow knows what it is, and what Sam accomplished with it. Anyone who watches the show seriously already knows what it is, and what it can do. The whole line was put in there to remind viewers who don't pay close enough attention, and dumbs down the show in the process.
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As for the old woman being caught. I figured after Reek told Ramsay about it the bastard questioned every person who didn't work for the Bolton's pre-Winterfell and had one-on-one contact with Sansa. Seems like the logical thing to do when you suspect a conspiracy. Question the most obvious people first and it was probably a short list, possibly only the old woman.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
How did Ramsay figure out it was the old woman trying to help Sansa? Is Ellaria Sand also in the prison with the Sand Snakes and Bronn? How much time passed between when Bronn was poisoned and got the antidote? Is Brienne working with other northerners, or are she and Pod acting alone? Did Lancel tell the High Sparrow about his own deviant actions in the past when he told about Cersei? Where the hell is Gendry, anyway?
I feel (imho, of course) they should have the covered the dragonglass like they did with Ghost's appearance this episode. He showed up, growled, and the bad guys ran. The characters on the show, and the audience both know who Ghost is, even though he isn't in the show very often. They could have had Sam say "Thanks for saving us, Ghost, Jon Snow's direwolf that he had since Winterfell" to remind the audience of why this wolf suddenly came out of nowhere, but thankfully they didn't.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
That scene annoyed me, when he gave the bag to Jon Snow, pulls one out, and Sam says "Dragonglass - it's what I used to kill the white walker." That line was completely unnecessary. Jon Snow knows what it is, and what Sam accomplished with it. Anyone who watches the show seriously already knows what it is, and what it can do. The whole line was put in there to remind viewers who don't pay close enough attention, and dumbs down the show in the process.
It's an important plot point and to a degree, shows will always cater to those that haven't seen every episode or don't pay close attention.
#97
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I just kind of skimmed over the comments about Bronn and the poison, and it seems to me (without having read the books) that the girl (as someone touched on before) intentionally got his blood going faster to get him in a state where he knew he was going to die, and she used her sexuality to give him something to look forward to if he lives. She gave him the antidote, told him she thinks he's handsome, he's grateful to be living...I think she's planning on using him in some way, to get him on their side for some plan they've got. Or, if not a plan, then to just have an ally. I think she saw his worth during their fight.
By the way, I couldn't help but notice this time around that nobody is saying that Ramsay didn't rape Sansa.
By the way, I couldn't help but notice this time around that nobody is saying that Ramsay didn't rape Sansa.
#98
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I saw a review of this episode that criticized Littlefinger's information "gift" to Lady Olenna about Lancel's secret affair with Cersei being useless because the reviewer assumes that Lancel would've already told the High Sparrow everything about the affair.
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
It does bring up something that may concern others beside myself. I think that D&D have done a masterful job of adapting the saga thus far & have been mostly on target with the newly-created scenes. However, even if they are mostly trying to follow GRRM's outline for the concluding bits, it's hard for the scriptwriters to match GRRM's clever dialogue. It's like someone trying to take an unfinished novel & finish it from the author's raw notes...you might be able to emulate the style, but if everyone could write as well as GRRM, GoT wouldn't stand out from the crowd as much.
Just something I've wondered...if the writers will be able to approximate his dialogue as well as plot twists. I like what the show has done with changes for the most part...and think the Sansa story is a big improvement in many ways, for instance...but wish GRRM would be willing to serve as script consultant to help tweak the dialogue since it seems obvious that any hope of having his work (even in rough form) to rely upon is long gone. They may be able to mine some scenes from Book 6 drafts, but after that it seems that they will be in totally uncharted territory re: having anything firm to adapt.
As for the old woman being caught. I figured after Reek told Ramsay about it the bastard questioned every person who didn't work for the Bolton's pre-Winterfell and had one-on-one contact with Sansa. Seems like the logical thing to do when you suspect a conspiracy. Question the most obvious people first and it was probably a short list, possibly only the old woman.
#100
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Re: Game of Thrones (S5E07) -- "The Gift" -- 5/24/15
I saw a review of this episode that criticized Littlefinger's information "gift" to Lady Olenna about Lancel's secret affair with Cersei being useless because the reviewer assumes that Lancel would've already told the High Sparrow everything about the affair.
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)
But thinking about it, I disagree with this viewpoint. No doubt Lancel confessed to sinning when he got all religious, but I don't think he would've named names unless directly asked. So I think only when Lady Olenna passing this information on to the High Sparrow did he then go ask Lancel directly if it was true. And only after the High Sparrow had that confirmed is when he set up his trap to spring once Cersei visited the Great Sept again.
Also Lancel is the son of Kevan Lannister, Tywin's brother who was upset with Cersei earlier this season (in this Small Council scene) and abruptly left King's Landing to return to Casterly Rock. So I wonder if he will now return to King's Landing due to what's going on or if that storming off scene was just to get him completely out of the picture. (He does say in this scene that he will only respond if King Tommen himself summons him.)




