The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
03-24-15 | 12:28 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
Either way, that song works for neither of those. At least not the first 2 minutes of the song. It picks up and has tons of energy by the end, but...
03-24-15 | 01:02 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
One of the major things I think the show has failed to do was properly establish Rick as a decent leader, someone who folks would want to follow and actually listen to. To turn him as wild as they did in this episode, I think he had to have established himself better in previous seasons or at least re-establish himself after previous crazy bouts. I don't have any issues with the situation at hand as a story line, but Rick went a little too far cuckoo to me.
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Rick has plenty of reasons to be batshit crazy, I won't disagree with that. However EVERYBODY in his group has lost as much, if not more, than he has. Rick still has most of his family. He now has a familiar "job" tying him back to his old life. Yet, almost everybody has managed to adjust MUCH better than Rick.
As for comparing Rick to the Alexandrians, they are far more alike than different. I may take some flak for this, but allowing the surgeon to beat his wife is no different than many of the decisions Rick and his group have made: sacrifice for the greater good.
As for comparing Rick to the Alexandrians, they are far more alike than different. I may take some flak for this, but allowing the surgeon to beat his wife is no different than many of the decisions Rick and his group have made: sacrifice for the greater good.
This was probably the first time in the entire series where I felt the show did a better job than the comic and it's because of one little change.....Pete is the one that started the physical altercation. Completely changes the view that Rick is crazy and sets up next week's episode nicely.
I still don't understand why people don't find the issue with the doctor interesting and exactly the kind of thing the show should be exploring. Now, if a doctor does something like that in our world, you can arrest him because there are plenty of other doctors. But when there is only one doctor (or one soldier, or one engineer, or one person who knows how to do something important for a community), they you are faced with a completely different problem. It's good stuff to see them try to work through it.
03-24-15 | 01:14 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
The group is basically alive because of him. HE was the reason that they got away from the trough at Terminus… You must have never worked in a high stress situation ever only to have to recover and do it all over again. I have seen many meltdowns... only to have them return normal. The fact that they all are not batshit crazy is a miracle.
That said I disagree, I think he's also put the group in danger through various situations at the prison and Woodbury. And let's not turn this in to comparing what we've done in real life in high stress situations, it's basically irrelevant in a zombie TV show.
03-24-15 | 02:37 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
They got away from the trough because of a typical TV show trope where the captors got distracted right before the main cast was to be killed That said I disagree, I think he's also put the group in danger through various situations at the prison and Woodbury.
And let's not turn this in to comparing what we've done in real life in high stress situations, it's basically irrelevant in a zombie TV show.
That said I disagree, I think he's also put the group in danger through various situations at the prison and Woodbury. And let's not turn this in to comparing what we've done in real life in high stress situations, it's basically irrelevant in a zombie TV show.
03-24-15 | 04:39 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
I've read ahead in the comic and putting this together with what the sites have been reporting, here is what I think will happen:
Could be wrong, but just doing the math.
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Could be wrong, but just doing the math.
03-24-15 | 05:03 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
That would be an interesting change from the comic and is sure to piss off the fans. So you're probably right.
03-24-15 | 05:56 PM
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03-24-15 | 06:42 PM
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03-24-15 | 07:33 PM
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03-24-15 | 07:44 PM
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03-24-15 | 11:41 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
I'm not caught up on this thread, so forgive me if somebody else points this out: Rick shoves/throws Carl aside in the same manner (not as a target, but in the heat of the moment with blatant disregard). The Alexandrians reaction is not surprising since we already know that they already knew.
03-25-15 | 12:10 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
They're all shell-shocked from their years out in the brutal wilderness. I kind of see Rick's point. If those walls came down, he and his crew are survivors, the Alexandrians would be dead in five minutes. They live in Spielbergland and go outside sporadically. They haven't seen towns full of cannibals, gangs of murdering rapists, their friends and family literally torn to pieces, or people being tortured. Like Sasha said, outside people are in unimaginable conditions and their idea of a problem is rationing chocolate.
I don't really understand your argument about how Rick and the Alexandrians are the same. Dealing with a problem that may involve the death of some people is the exact opposite of looking the other way while someone is getting hurt or may be killed. That is why Rick is a good leader. He's willing to make hard decisions. Deanna doesn't make any of these types of decisions. She uses the threat of exile but knows that there is a huge risk of exiled people coming back for revenge. She's a poor leader because she doesn't protect her people.
Spoiler:
It surprises me anybody here actually believes Rick would not put a bullet in the head of Daryl, Glen, Maggie, or Carol if it meant saving Carl or Judith.
re: the comic spoiler,
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You've been reading too many articles. Or whacking off too quickly.
03-25-15 | 12:11 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
I do think they made a clear distinction between Pete smacking his wife in the face and Rick shoving Carl away. Not saying Rick was right to do it, but Pete's was clearly the "more evil" move.
03-25-15 | 12:20 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S5E15) -- "Try" -- 3/22/15
Based on ... What? I don't think either one was deliberate; both were simply caught up in attacking their "enemy." It wouldn't have mattered who tried to interfere in either case. Neither one looked to see (or even cared) who was interfering. Both were reacting to somebody trying to stop the fight, not targeting a particular person.
03-25-15 | 12:32 AM
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03-25-15 | 08:15 AM
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No doubt that Shane was right about alot of things, but you have to be political in instances like this and Herschel's farm.
Rick was very political a few seasons ago, and he understood that you can't just take over someone's property and expect to stay. There is no doubt the way beater has to be dealt with, but once Rick did a 'Shane' on him, he lost Deanna as his ally. If he kept his cool, I'm sure he eventually could have coerced her to atleast get him in exile or get him out period.
I will say it again, but this week's episode is when the show is at its best because we are all debating 'what's right' and 'what's wrong' in that society, and its a really interesting debate.
Rick was very political a few seasons ago, and he understood that you can't just take over someone's property and expect to stay. There is no doubt the way beater has to be dealt with, but once Rick did a 'Shane' on him, he lost Deanna as his ally. If he kept his cool, I'm sure he eventually could have coerced her to atleast get him in exile or get him out period.
I will say it again, but this week's episode is when the show is at its best because we are all debating 'what's right' and 'what's wrong' in that society, and its a really interesting debate.