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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by actionjackson29 View Post
Seems like it would've been pretty easy to get your best friend that you just so happen to help become the King to legitimize your son. Whatever his reasons: "the theory" or Cat's irrational hatred of a innocence child Ned had the chance to give Jon a better life than the Wall.
He didn't even need to be legitimized to have a better life. She could have just let him stay at Winterfell. He could have taken Ser Rodrick's place as Master of Arms or something.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by dave-o View Post
Tyrion is going to have to come up with a plan B quick.
I have not read a word of the books so this is just a TV viewer's speculation 5 minutes after seeing the episode.

Spoiler:
He should argue the fight was a draw since they both died. Surely a draw shows the gods have not made a clear innocent/guilty decision so any beheadings would be rash.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

You guys need to watch more Asian movies, that violent dead at was nothing.

Good epidode, I somehow forgot that I've read Wikipedia and got spoilored ahead in the books. So I didn't know the outcone , but as soon as it hapenned I remembered, oh yeah so that X can do Y next.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

I was surprised they didn't explain or show why Oberyn was called the Viper (or the Red Viper), which was because...
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...he puts poison on his fighting spear. So he was poisoning the Mountain every time he stabbed him with one of his spears and still got his revenge even in dying.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Damn good episode and yeah it sucked seeing another cool character die. Sansa is turning into a Queen Bitch, I see,
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

So....did Sansa and baelish bang?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Dammit I hate this show. I feel like the battered wife.

Every time they kill a character I like I say, that's it-I'm done. I'm out, but then they slowly introduce another one to make me route for and then bam! dead again. And I'm actually freaking angry at the red viper for yelling. Just kill him stupid! stop gloating! Have you seen this show! Kill that motherf#@3er!

Aghhhhh!!! Dammit. Angry and sad. Just like I am at the end of every season.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Here's a link to the preview for next weeks on Hbo's site:
http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones#/...SVpgIAXbkXOA==
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/01/ga...s-oberyn-dead/
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

There's a problem with Ned making Jon a Stark...namely, he was older than Robb. He really couldn't make Jon heir to Winterfell
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Bah! The Red Viper deserved to die...the little cheat got a second spear after the Mountain had disarmed him. Might as well call Oberyn "Lance" (as in Armstrong). Good on Ser Gregor for treating his opponent like Bluto treats mashed taters.

Disappointed at all of the shaky-cam & swoopy-cam filming used during the Wildling attack upon Mole Town. Thought I was watching the opening from Quantum of Solace or a Bourne sequel scene. Ugh.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? View Post
Damn good episode and yeah it sucked seeing another cool character die. Sansa is turning into a Queen Bitch, I see,
What exactly about this episode made her a bitch?
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
What exactly about this episode made her a bitch?
Yeah.. I didn't get that observation either. I saw it as her continuing to grow up and seeing all the viciousness in the world. She's no longer content being a meek little highborn lady. Plus, to me at least, it seems that she now realizes that she can attempt to manipulate Littlefinger because of his feelings towards her.

Also, I was surprised with the battle that they didn't really go into the details with the Red Viper, as someone else mentioned.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

I'm a non-book reader and I found this episode to be rather predictable.

I knew that Sansa was going to defend Baelish.

The winner of the fight was so telegraphed, it was obvious before it even began who would win.

About the only thing that did surprise me was Dany kicking Jorah to the curb. I'm not sure I like her anymore.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Is Jorah going to wander the eastern lands like Kung Fu?

Good to see Sansa finally take control of her own destiny.

And it would be nice if they would stop teasing this little Stark reunions.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Some of you were "shocked" by this episode? Really? I barely remember this section of the books (I read them once, when they came out) and I didn't find anything particularly surprising.

Overall, I thought it was pretty good. I didn't think it was one of my favorite episodes of the what's been a very good year, but it definitely moved many plots forward.

Good:
The fight scene (except for the end)
Arya giggling uncontrollably at the Bloody Gate
Sansa's look at Littlefinger and her increasing emergence as a political animal
Barristan letting Jorah know that he knows (who had that boy inform Barristan?). Nicely handled little scene.
Jorah's pleading. Very well acted.
The gathering doom at Castle Black. The writing finally made it clear just how fucked the Night's Watch is in this episode.

Weak:
Emilia Clarke. To me, she's increasingly the weak link in the cast. She's simply not convincing.
The Viper acting like an over the top "talking killer". Overly telegraphed. This show is too good for that kind of obviousness.
Grey Worm and Missendei. He's. A. Eunuch. Enough.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

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Weak:
The Viper acting like an over the top "talking killer". Overly telegraphed.
"Hello. My name is Oberyn Martell, you killed my sister Elia Martell. You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children. Prepare to die!"

Made me think of the sword fight in The Princess Bride.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

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The Viper acting like an over the top "talking killer". Overly telegraphed. This show is too good for that kind of obviousness.
But Oberyn does all that talking in the books too. He needed to hear the confession, he was obsessed with it. Guess you forgot.


Spoiler:


You can see what appears to be the blood pump by Oberyn's right leg.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez View Post
There's a problem with Ned making Jon a Stark...namely, he was older than Robb. He really couldn't make Jon heir to Winterfell
They are the same age when the books start (14). Per the wiki, Robb is older. Obviously there are spoilers there too.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

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I wonder if the Mountain can live down the shame of winning by having to play possum. It was obvious to everyone that Oberyn would have won if not for his fake out. Sure, all is fair, but it's still a bitch move, unbecoming for such a decorated fighter.

I wonder if the guards will be telling Baelish that they have a Stark at the gate.
I thought they both died. It looked like The Mountain fell over on his back and died. Or was he just exhausted?
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I thought they both died. It looked like The Mountain fell over on his back and died. Or was he just exhausted?
Keep watching
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

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But Oberyn does all that talking in the books too. He needed to hear the confession, he was obsessed with it. Guess you forgot.
No, I got it. How could I not get it? Regardless of the motivation, the scene devolved into one of the biggest film cliches: the talking killer.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

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No, I got it. How could I not get it? Regardless of the motivation, the scene devolved into one of the biggest film cliches: the talking killer.
But that was Oberyn's flaw. Instead of leaving the Mountain to just die, he gloated and taunted him trying to get a confession out of him and by extension accuse Tywin of giving the order publicly. Instead, his obsession made him lose focus and since the Mountain was not dead, at that point, he allowed himself to be grabbed and killed instead of emerging the victor.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by actionjackson29 View Post
How fucked up is it that Roose Bolton makes his bastard son he doesn't even love a Bolton, but Ned wouldn't make Jon a Stark?
Eddard never really had a choice with Caitlyn still at Winterfell.
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Re: Game of Thrones -- "The Mountain and the Viper" -- 6/1/14

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
What exactly about this episode made her a bitch?
That was more of a generalization. You can see that she's developing her wits about her and the last we see of her is in her new new gown looking at Bailish and giving him a seductive smirk. I have not read the books but it seems that she's going to turn into an evil person. Queen Bitch was just a label on my part. The foreshadowing there is self-explanatory.

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