Originally Posted by windom

Wasn't it a jigsaw puzzle?

Originally Posted by Nausicaa

Meh, this episode should have been better than it was.

We've seen Lizzie's character in two other episodes over the last 3 months. The character wasn't developed well enough to make what happened this episode feel organic. Her craziness went from 3 to 11. The writers didn't earn this episode, and so it came across as comical more than anything else. The whole concept could have been great, but the character was underdeveloped.

Originally Posted by Coladar1

I'd just be curious how Lizzie managed to kill Mika - they seemed to assume that was a given. Crazy nuts Lizzie, can we really believe her very first instinct would've been to do it by surprise/back turned? The wound was in the front anyways, right?

Needless to say, I think it more likely Nutty McNuts would've said, "Hey, Mika, I'm gonna turn you into one of them and you'll see it all my way! C'mere, you!'

For instance, Lizzie nonchalantly tells Carol and Tyrese she planned/plans on doing Sophia next, and like she was still going to and would be allowed to do so once they saw Mika. The lunatic clearly believed in what she was doing and felt others would, too. I don't exactly buy that she just springs it on Mika without saying something - even if she did, Mika would've been likely to defend herself or run away the second she sees the knife being pulled.

Obviously it happened, so we're supposed to believe it did go down that way... I just have a hard time buying it, all things considered. Furthermore, why the hell wouldn't she have slashed Sophia's throat the second Mika hits the ground? Or hurriedly does so when Carol and Tyrese appear? (Because the 'powers that be' couldn't have that, obviously, which shows the flawed/shoddy approach to the entire thing.)

Furthermore, if she really was so delusional, believing the dead are... whatever she thinks they are, why wouldn't she just have killed herself first? She never once hinted she had any plans of offing herself, nor the adults... I dunno, the whole thing seems to have a lot of holes to me. Just as others mentioned the absurdity of leaving Sophia after discovering Lizzie playing with zombies. Seems the writers fell in love with the payoff, having Carol *have* to kill Lizzie, and rationality be damned if it got in the way.

Originally Posted by creekdipper

Thanks for the perspectives that make me think I'm selling Carol a bit short (and she's always been one of my favorites). I still think Daryl might be better off with Beth...someone who's still fairly "uncorrupted" at this point.

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Originally Posted by Gambit

How come it took Mika so long to turn? It seems like they usually turn pretty quick after they die. I was expecting her to get up during the exchange between Carol and Lizzie, but it never happened.

Originally Posted by fumanstan

Yeah, I thought they gave the girls a good amount of screen time, dating back to the prison. People have been talking about Lizzie being whacko for awhile now, so I don't think her crazy turn was that big of a change or a surprise. They felt as developed as Tyrese, Sasha, and Bob to me. While it could have been better, I'm impressed the show had the balls to make a girl kill her sister, and then have an adult kill the girl.

Originally Posted by windom

Wasn't it a jigsaw puzzle?

Originally Posted by Paff

I have to be very careful how I say this, but the actress who played Lizzie will be very beautiful when she grows up

Originally Posted by Paff

I have to be very careful how I say this, but the actress who played Lizzie will be very beautiful when she grows up

Originally Posted by Paff

I have to be very careful how I say this, but the actress who played Lizzie will be very beautiful when she grows up

Originally Posted by mphtrilogy

was this the same girl on this weeks shameless episode?

Originally Posted by Gizmo

Pretty fucked up.

Lizzie was probably messed up before the incident.

Originally Posted by mphtrilogy

was this the same girl on this weeks shameless episode?

Originally Posted by parker63

One thing I learned from this episode...you can't kill 'em with fire. Good thing to know the skull keeps the brain nice and insulated from intense heat.

But seriously...huge upgrade from last week's episode.

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Yeah, I think that's what the writers were going for in the scene where Mika helps Lizzie calm down by counting flowers. That seemed like a leftover from their life before (as in - Mika would not have come up with that on her own).

Originally Posted by Gambit

I think she was having an asthma attack and that was supposed to help her get past it. There was another incident like that in a previous episode.

Originally Posted by Rocketdog2000

I've heard/read this complaint here and from other sources, but I don't buy it.

Her character got far more devolvement than the similar storyline which ran in the comics, by comparison. That one, with the exception of one other incident, really came out of left field. At least with Lizzie, they tried to explain it, and there had been signs of her troubled nature this whole season, since the time her character was first introduced. If you or anyone else didn't pick up on them, you must not have been paying attention. It's hardly like she went from 3 to 11 in one episode, its been a build up of batshit craziness this whole season, which has been more than just the past two months worth of episodes. And in case you forgot, the last time we did see Lizzie since this second half of the season started airing, she already nearly tried killing Judith by suffocating her.

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

Have you guys seen some of the Carroll/Lizzie Memes online?

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger

A couple of points. I didn't think the child actor did a very good job as Lizzie, the storyline might have been better received with a stronger performance. She was cast because she was a cute kid, nothing more. Which is a problem often on TWD, they seem to go for a certain look with each character and pick actors more for cosmetic reasons than anything else.

As for her recurring subplot, they definitely built it up over the season. I would argue her story was clumsily handled, they spent way too much time on a nutty child arc for the payoff we ultimately got. As others have said, the way these characters were introduced gave us some clue they weren't going to stick around for the long term. The audience never really got invested in either child. This would have been a much more devastating story if Carl or Beth had been killed.