True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
Yeah, the "green ears" clue breaking the case was the worst part to me.
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So the Yellow King turns out to be a nobody on a lawnmower painting the school facilities. In some ways, that's the most frightening revelation of all.
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Seen folks come into the ER with worse wounds than that to the abdomen and recover. I've seen others die with less. This was nowhere out of the realm of possibility.
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
Only one comparable is your second one - 10inch blade, hunting knife. The woman? Stabbed 40 times in the gut, had to be a pair of nail clippers - plus, for a woman I'd imagine the lower abdomen might be slightly rearranged from a male, especially if she'd given birth before. But that's whatever - on the fake show, he got stabbed hard with a long blade. Probably six inches penetration?
The attacker made a point of slicing upwards, then jerking it around. Then, lastly, lifting the dude up with it - so figure 180-200lb of weight supported by the blade - it was either the dullest knife ever or got caught on a rib, lest it should've rended him in two.
Finally, there's another vital fact here versus your cases - this dude was a killer. Of humans. Like, a lot of them. No way he doesn't have a basic knowledge of anatomy and killing blows. It makes the 'Maybe it was a miracle and missed everything's unbelievable. He knew where organs are, where arteries are - and even if he did and aimed intentionally not to kill Rust, *lifting an adult male in the air by a knife in their gut* is game over, man. Game. Over.
And secondly, as with your case about the 10 inch blade - I imagine when someone stabs another normally, there's shock and "holy shit. What did I just do?" They are likely to hesitate, or failing that lost in an all out rage, stopping the second they realize what they did. Here, a murderer is going to keep going - exactly like Errol did. Not letting go, not hesitating; shoving it in angled, twisting and jerking, etc. Probably every Googled miracle stabbing survival has the normal human reaction to stabbing another working in it's favor to increase the likelihood of minimizing damage.
So I just cannot accept him surviving that, whether from sepsis, organ damage or bleeding out after pulling the knife out when EMTs were still a good ten minutes away from getting to work on him.
The attacker made a point of slicing upwards, then jerking it around. Then, lastly, lifting the dude up with it - so figure 180-200lb of weight supported by the blade - it was either the dullest knife ever or got caught on a rib, lest it should've rended him in two.
Finally, there's another vital fact here versus your cases - this dude was a killer. Of humans. Like, a lot of them. No way he doesn't have a basic knowledge of anatomy and killing blows. It makes the 'Maybe it was a miracle and missed everything's unbelievable. He knew where organs are, where arteries are - and even if he did and aimed intentionally not to kill Rust, *lifting an adult male in the air by a knife in their gut* is game over, man. Game. Over.
And secondly, as with your case about the 10 inch blade - I imagine when someone stabs another normally, there's shock and "holy shit. What did I just do?" They are likely to hesitate, or failing that lost in an all out rage, stopping the second they realize what they did. Here, a murderer is going to keep going - exactly like Errol did. Not letting go, not hesitating; shoving it in angled, twisting and jerking, etc. Probably every Googled miracle stabbing survival has the normal human reaction to stabbing another working in it's favor to increase the likelihood of minimizing damage.
So I just cannot accept him surviving that, whether from sepsis, organ damage or bleeding out after pulling the knife out when EMTs were still a good ten minutes away from getting to work on him.
In fact, Rusty there had about a 95% chance of being surviving since he was close to getting medical help.
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1993.../knives-00000/
The study is in Annals of Surgery Vol 153 pp 639-649 “Civilian
Penetrating Wounds of the Abdomen” by Wilson and Sherman. It covers stab
(5% mortality) and gun shot wounds (17% mortality) to the abdomen.
Penetrating Wounds of the Abdomen” by Wilson and Sherman. It covers stab
(5% mortality) and gun shot wounds (17% mortality) to the abdomen.
Cracked did a great article on this:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19698...e-survive.html
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Someone pointed out elsewhere that the one episode where Rust borrowed Marty's lawnmower and came over to cut the grass was some huge foreshadowing no one picked up on. That was before they visited the school and met Errol for the first time, right?
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
Are you kidding me? Errol lifting him a foot off the ground with a knife in one hand and a hatchet in the other and keeping him in the air while being headbutted three times is probably the most ridiculous thing in the entire series.
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For stomach stabbings in particular and the 'more killable than they really are', I'd always understood that getting stabbed in the stomach is something Hollywood actually gets wrong the other way around - that a good hard stabbing in the gut is often fatal and Hollywood under-represents the consequences of your digestive system mixing with your blood. Sepsis = game over, and that if the knife or bullet goes through intestines medicine has few cures once all that $#!t, literal $#!t, mixes in with one's bloodstream. Then again, there's a reason I can't practice medicine (seeing as I never went to Med school), so who knows.
Likewise, that ain't even my point of contention here: I'd begrudgingly buy Rust surviving. But not when he has his feet lifted off the ground by a knife lodged in his stomach. Obviously the damage they showed, I can believe someone had seen worse in an ER than that somewhat small stomach wound. I just don't believe supporting 180+lbs. of weight with a hunting knife in soft fatty tissue, and then a struggle ensuing during 45-70 seconds of being suspended mid-air solely with said knife, doesn't result in only a basic stabbing wound. No way.
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
Not knowing the statistics of the likelihood of Rusty surviving a stabbing like that, I was surprised that he survived it. Though abdominal wounds are often portrayed as fatal in many shows and movies. But for me, the most unbelievable aspect of that encounter is how Errol somehow turned into Michael Myers, shrugging off multiple gunshot wounds like they were mosquito bites until only a head shot finished him off. Overall, I liked the fact that for such a bleak series, it ended on a positive note.
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Also replying to the Hollywood making people more vulnerable than they really are, but worse wounds than a brute shoving a big, long knife hard, jerking and twisting, then lifting the dude up by the knife lodged in his gut for over a minute? Like I said, the mere fact he didn't get rended in two - or at least the knife ended up several inches further up his chest - after being hoisted by it is ridiculous.
For stomach stabbings in particular and the 'more killable than they really are', I'd always understood that getting stabbed in the stomach is something Hollywood actually gets wrong the other way around - that a good hard stabbing in the gut is often fatal and Hollywood under-represents the consequences of your digestive system mixing with your blood. Sepsis = game over, and that if the knife or bullet goes through intestines medicine has few cures once all that $#!t, literal $#!t, mixes in with one's bloodstream. Then again, there's a reason I can't practice medicine (seeing as I never went to Med school), so who knows.
Likewise, that ain't even my point of contention here: I'd begrudgingly buy Rust surviving. But not when he has his feet lifted off the ground by a knife lodged in his stomach. Obviously the damage they showed, I can believe someone had seen worse in an ER than that somewhat small stomach wound. I just don't believe supporting 180+lbs. of weight with a hunting knife in soft fatty tissue, and then a struggle ensuing during 45-70 seconds of being suspended mid-air solely with said knife, doesn't result in only a basic stabbing wound. No way.
For stomach stabbings in particular and the 'more killable than they really are', I'd always understood that getting stabbed in the stomach is something Hollywood actually gets wrong the other way around - that a good hard stabbing in the gut is often fatal and Hollywood under-represents the consequences of your digestive system mixing with your blood. Sepsis = game over, and that if the knife or bullet goes through intestines medicine has few cures once all that $#!t, literal $#!t, mixes in with one's bloodstream. Then again, there's a reason I can't practice medicine (seeing as I never went to Med school), so who knows.
Likewise, that ain't even my point of contention here: I'd begrudgingly buy Rust surviving. But not when he has his feet lifted off the ground by a knife lodged in his stomach. Obviously the damage they showed, I can believe someone had seen worse in an ER than that somewhat small stomach wound. I just don't believe supporting 180+lbs. of weight with a hunting knife in soft fatty tissue, and then a struggle ensuing during 45-70 seconds of being suspended mid-air solely with said knife, doesn't result in only a basic stabbing wound. No way.
The part I would have trouble with, is that he was so quick to grab on to the stabbing arm and the swinging arm, BUT we had been shown prior in the series that he meditates and has learned to calm himself in strenuous situations.
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#138
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Negative. You need to rewatch the finale.
The "aaaaha" moment was so painful I was waiting for either MM or WH to bust out laughing. It was only missing Frank Drebin face.
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#140
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Apparently they're still courting Brad Pitt for season 2 of the show.
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HBO is submitting the series as a drama (as opposed to a miniseries) for this fall's Emmy Awards:
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/true...ys-1201146631/
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/true...ys-1201146631/
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omg... I can't even dream of hbo being able to land both freeman and pitt. That would blow my mind... lol
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HBO is submitting the series as a drama (as opposed to a miniseries) for this fall's Emmy Awards:
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/true...ys-1201146631/
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/true...ys-1201146631/
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
So it'll be True Detective vs Breaking Bad for Best Drama. That's a good year right there
Now watch Good Wife swoop in and take it.
Now watch Good Wife swoop in and take it.
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Re: True Detective - Season Finale - "Form and Void" - 3/9/14
I really liked this show, but I can't get on board with 'one of the greatest shows ever' side. I guess I'm in the minority because most people on social media seem to feel that way, but I just cant go that far. Still an enjoyable 8 episodes!
#150
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Just marathoned this over the last 2 days. Whenever I marathon a show, I have vivid dreams relating to it. Needless to say, I didn't sleep well last night.