The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
11-26-13 | 12:00 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
The only thing I wondered is the time frame that the governer is lurking about what happened to all the walkers that were accumulating, I know they mowed down a large amount, but the area seemed full of them, now the guv can lurk about , outside the prison,with nary a walker to be seen.
11-26-13 | 01:20 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Okay, let's put this one to bed. It's not that people think the characters should leave the prison. Similar to Herschel's farm, there's no reason anyone would want to leave. However, fans are tired of the location and the scenario because the prsion has turned into Herschel's farm 2.0 and that feels redundant. So fans feel the writers have taken too long to come up with a compelling reason for the group to be forced into abandoning the prison. If the Governor pushes them into that very situation, it's unfortunately a whole season too late but may be the only redeeming factor of the last two episodes.
It also doesn't help that they did little to nothing to develop the new prison arrivals so the whole flu storyline was boring as shit. I don't care about Tyreese or his daughter so her being sick meant nothing to me. Same for Tyreese's girlfriend. The creepy little girl can end up under some tank treads for all I care. Glenn I like but for some reason have not been invested in his survival this season. All that leaves is Herschel and his whole giving people comfort reasoning came across like a veiled death wish since he seems to have forgotten that he has two daughters to take care of.
So out of all the sick people in the prison, only one matters (three if you count Glenn and Tyreese's daughter). Hardly compelling storytelling.
If the show is to remain anchored on the prison, they need to make those dwelling in it more than red shirts with the ocassional line of dialogue.
It also doesn't help that they did little to nothing to develop the new prison arrivals so the whole flu storyline was boring as shit. I don't care about Tyreese or his daughter so her being sick meant nothing to me. Same for Tyreese's girlfriend. The creepy little girl can end up under some tank treads for all I care. Glenn I like but for some reason have not been invested in his survival this season. All that leaves is Herschel and his whole giving people comfort reasoning came across like a veiled death wish since he seems to have forgotten that he has two daughters to take care of.
So out of all the sick people in the prison, only one matters (three if you count Glenn and Tyreese's daughter). Hardly compelling storytelling.
If the show is to remain anchored on the prison, they need to make those dwelling in it more than red shirts with the ocassional line of dialogue.
One of my disappointments has been Tyreese. I know comic readers got all excited when he showed up, and he seemed like a promising character (and played by a great actor). But he has amounted to jack squat for two seasons.
The overall story arc has become spread too thin, and when combined with being in the same setting and regurgitating last season's finale makes it seem as though nothing is happening despite each individual episode standing up pretty well on it's own. Other than Carol's exile, what has significantly changed since one episode to go at the end of last season? Whatever is going to happen Sunday night could have happened in last season's finale and gotten us to the exact same place 8 months and 8 episodes sooner.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the series. I'm just not blind to it's flaws and become a bit frustrated with them when they are repeated.
11-26-13 | 01:29 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Yup, I enjoy it too but it is very flawed. It is poorly plotted - as you say nothing has really happened this season. The sickness was a good development and a new threat they hadn't written in before, but it didn't really amount to anything other than Carol leaving. And now we are supposed to be interested in the governor again, but they already exhausted this character's potential last season, and he came back way too soon for it to be interesting and feel organic.
11-26-13 | 01:46 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Yup, I enjoy it too but it is very flawed. It is poorly plotted - as you say nothing has really happened this season. The sickness was a good development and a new threat they hadn't written in before, but it didn't really amount to anything other than Carol leaving. And now we are supposed to be interested in the governor again, but they already exhausted this character's potential last season, and he came back way too soon for it to be interesting and feel organic.
11-26-13 | 02:00 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Like I said at the end of last season let's see what the storyline is in S4 before condemning Mazzara for the back half of S3. Why do I think GM wanted to kill the gov in the S3 finale and move forward while Kirkman vetoed that, resulting in a big discussion about who should die to end the season.
11-26-13 | 02:24 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
11-26-13 | 03:09 PM
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I am curious to why some are so concerned with how much the "prison set" cost? If they are not making money on the show then it will end because it is not profitable...not because they built an elaborate set.
11-26-13 | 03:33 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Huh... it's actually a cool set. I'm curious why the walkers just don't invade from the side where all those production trucks are. I mean, the whole back is just wide open! 
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11-26-13 | 03:58 PM
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11-26-13 | 05:34 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
He has become a big Emo Teddy Bear Muthah Fuckah who cries over some dead PUSSY that we're not even sure he fucked!!!!
11-26-13 | 05:45 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Sort of like how, if they were trying to really make the situation real, they would be out slaying zombies daily. The Gov would have been shot in the head long ago and that fence would be much stronger. The group would be onto restarting civilization, with zombies and larger factions (like a possibly still-existent US government) getting in the way.
Can I be the showrunner?
11-26-13 | 06:51 PM
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AMC certainly was concerned with the cost as they are the ones that supposedly made them keep using it this season.
11-26-13 | 07:35 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
On their own, these last two episodes were probably better than the rest of the season combined. Unfortunately, the entire sub-plot could have been chopped off and moved right to the Governor doing his business at the prison. That was two whole episodes in which we saw zero development for the main characters. I have to believe the writers intend to integrate some of the Governor's new camp into the main cast. It's a narrative trick that works better in books than in film.
11-26-13 | 07:49 PM
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11-26-13 | 08:14 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Huh... it's actually a cool set. I'm curious why the walkers just don't invade from the side where all those production trucks are. I mean, the whole back is just wide open!
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11-26-13 | 10:26 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Yep'. I said it before. It's the Gilligan's Island Syndrome. So close to making it work, in a real life kind of way. Yet so far, because it is still a TV show.
Sort of like how, if they were trying to really make the situation real, they would be out slaying zombies daily. The Gov would have been shot in the head long ago and that fence would be much stronger. The group would be onto restarting civilization, with zombies and larger factions (like a possibly still-existent US government) getting in the way.
Can I be the showrunner?
Sort of like how, if they were trying to really make the situation real, they would be out slaying zombies daily. The Gov would have been shot in the head long ago and that fence would be much stronger. The group would be onto restarting civilization, with zombies and larger factions (like a possibly still-existent US government) getting in the way.
Can I be the showrunner?
I know they did some farming, but come on! By this point people would be trying to rebuild the old world -- its institutions, technologies, and conveniences. The showrunners need to go back and watch Jericho. That show did a good job, IMO, in showing how society would break down and rebuild.
As for reusing the prison set for multiple seasons ... first, it isn't the prison set that is bad. It is the fact they have done nothing with it. Second, perhaps they shouldn't have blown through so many set changes in the first season.
11-26-13 | 10:30 PM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
There was a comment about the Governor ending up back where he started (essentially) ... there was the zombie swamp blocking his attempt to escape. It seems like there are always zombie hordes which block them form getting out of a certain perimeter.
11-26-13 | 10:47 PM
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At least Michonne is still cool. I hope they don't ruin her or kill her off.
11-26-13 | 11:08 PM
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11-26-13 | 11:55 PM
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Right? I heard such great things about this character from comic fans and was expecting an awesome badass to buddy up with Rick and snap him out of his crazy funk. Instead, all we get is Tyreese being a whiner. That moment where he was surrounded by walkers wasn't even as badass as it should have been because, frankly, it was a totally different character (just played by the same actor) and I just new it'd be a cocktease.
At least Michonne is still cool. I hope they don't ruin her or kill her off.
At least Michonne is still cool. I hope they don't ruin her or kill her off.
I am just hoping it isn't Herschel or Michonne since they are my favorite characters on the show. Scott Wilson is one of the best, if not the best, actors on this show.
11-27-13 | 07:32 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead -- "Dead Weight" -- 11/24/13
Since Martinez was the only person in the group who knew who Brian really was - I knew he was toast. I told my wife that the lake was like the fishtank where he kept the heads of those who crossed him. My only shock was that tank girl didn't eat a bullet since she left her post to play tag and nearly got the kid killed.
Even though this is yet another attack on the prison, he never had a tank - giving him an advantage that he never had before. Seems that would be the last attack he will need.
I actually liked these past episodes - shows that the Governor is protective at heart, and will not allow anyone to get in the way of that.
Bring on the mid-season finale
Even though this is yet another attack on the prison, he never had a tank - giving him an advantage that he never had before. Seems that would be the last attack he will need.
I actually liked these past episodes - shows that the Governor is protective at heart, and will not allow anyone to get in the way of that.
Bring on the mid-season finale
11-27-13 | 02:10 PM
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I am just going to pretend that this show only ran two seasons.
Every time I see the Governor, I hear his balls slapping against Sharon Stone's ass in Basic Instinct 2.
Every time I see the Governor, I hear his balls slapping against Sharon Stone's ass in Basic Instinct 2.
11-27-13 | 08:19 PM
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Another crane shot, I would've thought that'd be fairly elaborate for TV. The underwater was cool, if unsubtle symbolism. So is the woman with the M4 supposed to be a lesbian like the other girl the Governor brought?
I'm not concerned about it, but a TV show has to have a fairly confined setting to keep the budget down sometimes, I'd assume that's why everyone is set up in camps and stuff. The comic can move around at its leisure, the show has to consider budgetary restriction. Isn't that why AMC canned Mazarra, because they wanted them to stay at the prison and he wanted to wrap up the storyline? On an tangential note, I wonder if this Grace Walker is the same set designer who worked on Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior? That's the definitive post-apocalyptic movie for my money.
I'm not concerned about it, but a TV show has to have a fairly confined setting to keep the budget down sometimes, I'd assume that's why everyone is set up in camps and stuff. The comic can move around at its leisure, the show has to consider budgetary restriction. Isn't that why AMC canned Mazarra, because they wanted them to stay at the prison and he wanted to wrap up the storyline? On an tangential note, I wonder if this Grace Walker is the same set designer who worked on Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior? That's the definitive post-apocalyptic movie for my money.
11-27-13 | 08:23 PM
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