And you only had to kill one guy to make it happen!

The comic is a lot better than the show the pacing is the worst thing about this show.

The motivation would be a tank blowing open the gate and the walls and a bunch of zombies rushing in while half your group gets killed by an army outside and the other half gets seperated.

Yes women in this world fall for that, but I'd assume everyone is more on the defensive in this WD world.

I'm sure the comic is great, my roommate has hyped it to no end over the years. I'll check out the compendium eventually.
They haven't yet encountered a tank that blows the walls down allowing a bum rush of zombies to kill half of the group and scatter the other half. Right now, that is nothing more than a tease.
Plenty of people are on the defensive, as they were in the apartment building. I'm sure they're also incredibly lonely and very susceptible to fall for charm and power and eye patches after everything that's happened, so that they have some kind of protection and passion in their otherwise horrible lives.

I'm more tired of the comments here than from the show.

So much for Brian's redemption

So they just gave us 2 backstory episodes to fill in the blanks after the final scene 2 episodes ago with the Governor standing outside the prison.

It just shows that Brian couldn't handle being the low man on the totem pole and had to take action to be the leader again.

I have to admit I'm not thrilled about yet another prison attack. The Governor is probably targeting Michonne 1st.

I stopped watching the show after the farm... The show and the comic book are so different now I don't think they are remotely parallel anymore. I'm up to speed on the novel and comic book. The Rise of the Governor novel was a great read, Road to Woodbury was okay, not great as the first book. The comic book is dragging out thin as well... 12 chapters on a civil war amongst the dead? Let's just call it the Milking Dead.

Now that I watch that music video, maybe the Governor isn't such a bad guy after all. Everyone deserves redemption...

Wait!...No!...*pushed into pit*

I wouldn't say it was so much that, at all. He didn't want to lead or be the one in charge anymore, so long as the person in charge was strong and could protect them. When he found this wasn't going to be the case, that's when he snapped.

Matrtinez's mistake was in showing this weakness to the Govener, and offering to "share the crown" with him. Pete proved to be a weak leader, as well. It was only when the Govenor came to the realization that in order to save his new "family", he'd have to be the one to step up and do it again. It had nothing to do with being low man on the totem pole.

This.

The last 2 episodes should've been shrunken down to just one episode... or at most one full episode and a few scenes shared with the prison scenes. Two full episodes dedicated to it was overkill.

Where can I buy the exact same flashlight the governor had? To be able to use the light-end of a flashlight to crush a skull without it breaking is pretty heavy duty.

I'd assume it was a MagLite... they have an aluminum body that can be used as a truncheon. Also, that there was a dead black spot in the center of the beam is also a dead giveaway.

So he'd be down with the Ricktatorship?

First thought about the episode - Finding better trailers. Since so much would be up for grabs I would try to find something without a leaking roof. Maybe one of those million dollar RV's. Of course it's always troublesome to get around and pick up stuff. Just one of those random thoughts I thought about being in a world where so much is around and you still get stuck with junk.

Liked this better than last week's episode, but that's not saying much since I hated it. Martinez's exit was cool, so was Pete in the pond. Who wiped out that camp before the Governor's group got the chance to do it? Maybe another band of people that included Carol?

I would assume just another random group. The point was that if the Governor's group didn't take something, someone else would.

Or, you know, he could have just left with his family.

"If I didn't kill and rob them, somebody else would have" is the same justification every real-life criminal uses. No one is a bad guy in their own story. But just because the Gov claims/believes he is doing horrendous shit for the right reason doesn't excuse the fact he is doing horrendous shit. The stupid fucks who fly airplanes into buildings or blow themselves up in shopping malls think they're "hard men making hard choices", too. Just because the Governor gets a couple of hours of television time devoted to him doesn't mean he's not as selfish and evil as any given terrorist. It's not a coincidence that his "hard choices" also satisfies he needs for power and revenge.

And I don't know how anyone can watch the lake scene and come away with the feeling that the Gov is anything but a psychopath.

Love the analogy, Rise of the Relocator.

Agreed, after last week I really was hoping they would do something interesting and different with the governor. But this week just threw that all out the window to retread the same tired story line from last season. As a nuanced character in this new group the governor could have been a very interesting study in trying to walk the line between his old ways and his new life with the family. As it stands we are now just back to pyscopath governor.

Yeah, as an origin story it was pretty poor in explaining any of the governor's motivations. Most of what we know about the governor comes from our history with him in Woodbury.

Agreed, the whole transition to power was rushed and it didn't really make sense that the other characters bought in so willingly.

Why do I even read these threads?

I liked both episodes and love the season so far. I guess I don't understand some of the complaints. Two wasted episodes? They were good solid episodes, how were they a waste? Is this series late for a specific conclusion? It's about humans surviving the zombie apocalypse, anything showing that isn't a waste. I personally thought it was great showing how other groups were doing it. Too much time at the prison? Why the hell would they EVER leave? I can't think of a more secure place anywhere, and that includes a military base.

The only thing I wondered is the time frame that the governer is lurking about what happened to all the walkers that were accumulating, I know they mowed down a large amount, but the area seemed full of them, now the guv can lurk about , outside the prison,with nary a walker to be seen.

Wasn't the end of this episode before most of the badness at the prison? Michone looked pretty smiley.

Bravo!

And, as someone else mentioned already, that is why he kept saying "I don't want this" over and over as we was feeding Martinez to the biter pit.

Okay, let's put this one to bed. It's not that people think the characters should leave the prison. Similar to Herschel's farm, there's no reason anyone would want to leave. However, fans are tired of the location and the scenario because the prsion has turned into Herschel's farm 2.0 and that feels redundant. So fans feel the writers have taken too long to come up with a compelling reason for the group to be forced into abandoning the prison. If the Governor pushes them into that very situation, it's unfortunately a whole season too late but may be the only redeeming factor of the last two episodes.

It also doesn't help that they did little to nothing to develop the new prison arrivals so the whole flu storyline was boring as shit. I don't care about Tyreese or his daughter so her being sick meant nothing to me. Same for Tyreese's girlfriend. The creepy little girl can end up under some tank treads for all I care. Glenn I like but for some reason have not been invested in his survival this season. All that leaves is Herschel and his whole giving people comfort reasoning came across like a veiled death wish since he seems to have forgotten that he has two daughters to take care of.

So out of all the sick people in the prison, only one matters (three if you count Glenn and Tyreese's daughter). Hardly compelling storytelling.

If the show is to remain anchored on the prison, they need to make those dwelling in it more than red shirts with the ocassional line of dialogue.

It was probably expensive expensive as hell to build the set too.

Let's just say that Hershel really knows how to use that new foot of his